Whites: 409 per 100,000Latinos: 1,038 per 100,000
Blacks: 2,468 per 100,000
Gender is an important "filter" on the who goes to prison or jail, June 30, 2006:
Females: 134 per 100,000
Males: 1,384 per 100,000
Look at just the males by race, and the incarceration rates become even more frightening, June 30, 2006:
White males: 736 per 100,000
Latino males: 1,862 per 100,000
Black males: 4,789 per 100,000
If you look at males aged 25-29 and by race, you can see what is going on even clearer, June 30, 2006:
For White males ages 25-29: 1,685 per 100,000.
For Latino males ages 25-29: 3,912 per 100,000.
For Black males ages 25-29: 11,695 per 100,000. (That's 11.7% of Black men in their late 20s.)
Or you can make some international comparisons:
South Africa under Apartheid was internationally condemned as a racist society.
South Africa under apartheid (1993), Black males: 851 per 100,000 U.S. under George Bush (2006), Black males: 4,789 per 100,000
Masked Racism:Reflections on the
Prison Industrial Complex by Angela Davis 1998
Imprisonment has become the response of first resort to far too many of the social problems that burden people who are ensconced in poverty. These problems often are veiled by being conveniently grouped together under the category "crime" and by the automatic attribution of criminal behavior to people of color. Homelessness, unemployment, drug addiction, mental illness, and illiteracy are only a few of the problems that disappear from public view when the human beings contending with them are relegated to cages.
Prisons thus perform a feat of magic. Or rather the people who continually vote in new prison bonds and tacitly assent to a proliferating network of prisons and jails have been tricked into believing in the magic of imprisonment. But prisons do not disappear problems, they disappear human beings. And the practice of disappearing vast numbers of people from poor, immigrant, and racially marginalized communities has literally become big business.
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From Earl Ofari Hutchinson -
http://www.alternet.org/rights/62838/
The legislators read and watch the same relentless stream of newspaper and television reports of drive-by shootings, drug shootouts, and gang wars, most of them involving young blacks. This confirms the terrified feeling that many Americans have that young people - especially young black males - are out of control.
The outrage over the Jena case will probably force town prosecutors to edge away a little more from the harsh charges against the teens, but only a little. They, like prosecutors everywhere, are convinced that black teens are habitual lawbreakers and that the public clamors for them to heave the book at them. And that's exactly what they routinely do in daily courts throughout the country.
It's business as usual for black teen offenders and Jena won't change that. And that's an even bigger tragedy.
then what do we do grand wizard?
Change society.
Our society is dis functional.
More of the same in this Price System.
Most crimes are crimes of economics.
That does not need to be.
Every person in this society could have the opportunity to have a roof over there head, food to eat, education, and recreation, etc.
The reason it is not happening is because we are stuck in an antique barbaric system.
The template must change, other wise it is play acting.
We are on the verge of chaos now with population and resource destruction.
It is still possible to change.
Civil contract society as we know it has to be dumped.
Every single person must have the same rights and benefits.
Without that our country WILL destroy itself.
Money/Politics/Religion/Belief systems are dead ends, and ensure our destruction.
Change is possible.
The clock is ticking...
Jasai,
So long as those boys have good counsel (which it appears they do thus far), they will get as much justice as is possible in this unfortunate situation.
Protests aren't going to change anything, although I am sure it will make a bunch of people feel good about themselves.
Ideology needs to be changed because all conduct comes from ideology. There is currently an ideology that criminalizes Black males, blames them for everything corrupt in society, paints them as generally irredeemable and the laws/police conduct reflect that.
Let's start here. Challenge each person whose immediate reaction to anything is to blame Black people while saying nothing about the system.
Stop supporting the system. If people want to do something, shut off the tv. In fact, just throw it in the trash can. Take all that time they've got for this blog and catch one of these kids that's so desperately in need of guidance. Become the politician that has the balls to truly fight (like Cynthia McKinney).
But a bunch of hypocrites who think that holding a sign one day of their lives while continuing to shop at Wal-Mart aren't accomplishing anything but, in fact, are reinforcing the system that is putting them out of work, playing them off against Mexicans and leaving them with no choice but to commit crimes to survive. I'm not saying anything that Farrakhan hasn't. Support Black business.
Total bullshit Insurgent. Total crap what you are saying. More of the same. Those boys have proper legal defense ?
Ha ha. The system is not gonna work now or in the future. It is a total scam.
Become the POLITICIAN ?
Only a non political system has any hope. Run by science and not special interests, as your make believe system is run.
Leaving them no choice, but to commit crimes to survive ?
How many different ways are you brainwashed ?
How many different ways are you the problem with bullshit worship of crap society ?
The status quo is hardly creative.
Its the system stupid, and little eating around the fringes of things does no good.
You are part of the problem.
You don`t understand the problem.
You are a believer in the system.
Just like Greenspan, and his idol, Ayn Rand, the worse piece of shit 'intellectual' of the 20th century.
And another thing...
Have a nice evening.
But realize that you are a cog.
Only a non political system has any hope. Run by science and not special interests, as your make believe system is run.
Yes Skip. Anyone who doesn't argue for technocracy is a bullshit cog.
I get it.
Until we achieve this "non-political" utopia, however, we have to work within the system we've got.
Not really.
Utopia by definition is a place that does not exist.
If you are serious about changing things, investigate our program.
One person can make a difference.
Civil society does not want to have its plug pulled out.
It fights tooth and nail for the brainwashed concepts that allow it to function.
We are coming to a crashing dead end on the road ahead.
Actually what we have now is a twisted Utopia of belief systems.
Peoples opinions of morality, ethics etc. Special interest belief systems.
Democracy is a sort of contract, civil contract, that allows 50 people to control 49 people with their opinions.
Pity, it is no longer needed.
Chaos may force us into system change.
It is not thought that Politicians or Religious people will bring about real change.
the reason theyv good counsel now is because people not related to them heard this story and spoke up, came to the rescue. DID something that they could not do on their own.
did you read the story? this has been going on for over a year. they had shitty counsel which is why this first boy was convicted.
come on dina.
I've read boatloads on this story, heard lots of interviews with the family, long before a few do-gooders decided to hop on a bus to yell slogans outside a courthouse on the date that a sentencing is no longer happening. I'm well aware of how they have good counsel and, thus, the change in the case.
Curious, what are you doing about this?
Curious, what are you doing about this?
-dina
and see, that's what all of the growling comes down to. comparing stats to make one feel better about ones effort.
i'm being about it.
i don't care what you do or don't do. but knocking people yelling on courthouse steps while you're reading "boatloads" and listing to interviews is wack.
the threat of yelling on those steps got that boys case overturned.
boots on the ground.
I am all for yelling, and role playing.
People reveal themselves by their actions.
Long and short term actions are needed to change out of this type of society, which is valueless.
Except for the value of money.
Money is paper.
Paper grows from trees.
Abstract control to make people victims.
Keeping the caste/class system in force is the goal by default of this system.
This system is going to kill everyone, and then kill itself.
That is the future.
Creative alternatives are available.
the threat of yelling on those steps got that boys case overturned.
Actually, lawyers got that boy's case overturned.
Who's comparing stats? You keep saying you're being about it. Then what exactly are you doing to be about it? And what are you doing to make sure this doesn't happen again?
In the post above, you talk about the power of the dollar. So why do you suggest that I am full of shit when I suggest that people use their dollars for more productive things like community businesses (and I shop in my local community stores), instead of spending those dollars in mega-corporations that put people out of work and into prison? That much of the ills of the Black community lie in unemployment, which leads to crime, which leads to prison, which destroys families, etc. Why is that such an offensive concept to you Jasai?
You acknowledge that money makes a difference. Yeah, it does. So what's the problem when my suggested solutions are based on that premise instead on some silly notion that yelling on courtsteps changes anything.
I think most protesters are full of shit, including those heading to Jena. They aren't willing to change things in their OWN lives, but righteously demand everyone else make changes. That's bullshit and that's what I'm mocking.
"and see, that's what all of the growling comes down to. comparing stats to make one feel better about ones effort."
pot. kettle. black.
Jasai, why do you think this discussion became so polarized? One would think you were advocating marching on Jena and Dina was advocating lynching the boys.
"the threat of yelling on those steps got that boys case overturned."
Is "threat" boots on the ground?
Whether it is or not, it worked.
Who we gotta threaten to get the other 600,000 out?
DV, you tell me who we gotta threaten and then LETS.
Dina, this statement:
"In the post above, you talk about the power of the dollar. So why do you suggest that I am full of shit when I suggest that people use their dollars for more productive things like community businesses (and I shop in my local community stores), instead of spending those dollars in mega-corporations that put people out of work and into prison? That much of the ills of the Black community lie in unemployment, which leads to crime, which leads to prison, which destroys families, etc. Why is that such an offensive concept to you Jasai?"
was the first time i read where you actually offered up a "to do" list. which was all i asked for.
we are discussing this here and at TSO because i thought enough of it to bring it to the attention of the gentlemen with the mics (or pages as it were) what i am doing from my own home is nothing to put out a banner sign for, but again, to assume that all the people going down are doing nothing but blowin' smoke is presumptuous at best, gross stereotyping at worst.
you don't know those people head by head and so all you can know is what you do, your motivations, what you contribute to any given effort within your community and outside of it.
the projection of your action or inaction onto others would be just that.
don't knock people because they might be bringing homeless babies coats, maybe they can't afford to provide homes but they are providing something. besides rhetoric.
This needs to be repeated...
From the TSO
"Ideology needs to be changed because all conduct comes from ideology. There is currently an ideology that criminalizes Black males, blames them for everything corrupt in society, paints them as generally irredeemable and the laws/police conduct reflect that.
Let's start here on TSO. Challenge each person whose immediate reaction to anything is to blame Black people while saying nothing about the system.
Stop supporting the system.
--Dina
WHAT ideology/system do YOU speak of?
Is this ideology/system that you are referring to the same system the Mr. Fisher has mentioned?
Because if I recall correctly when ever Mr. Fisher addresses the issue of a system that specifically oppresses Black folks, some TSO peps start looking for a noose to place around his neck.
So if you would be so kind, elaborate on the ideology/system that you are referring to?"
Source- Soulijah Story
So if you would be so kind, elaborate on the ideology/system that you are referring to?"
Source- Soulijah Story
-FINALLLLLLYYYY!!!
SS and Kimberly,
It's the system of consumerism/corporatism that is pushing us back to the time of feudalism. Look at what is going on. Feudal estates called corporations are taking over and each person, in order to survive, has little choice but to work on the estate. It is the feudal estate that will provide your healthcare if you're lucky, your food and your entire life.
There will soon come a time where you are either a landlord or a serf. You will be a manager at Wal-Mart or a stock boy in the back room. But there will be no choice about working at Wal-Mart.
That's the system to which I refer. It ain't race. It's class. Yes, the two overlap, but while you're running around crying about White Supremacy, the addiction to consumption that is literally destroying the fabric of society continues unabated.
Dina,
First of all, I don't run around crying about white supremacy. I just get a little nauseous when black folk fail to realize the power that we already have and are so easily led by white folk's opinion of us, believing everything that the mainstream media portrays about our "deviant" behavior.
You stated:
"Ideology needs to be changed because all conduct comes from ideology. There is currently an ideology that criminalizes Black males, blames them for everything corrupt in society, paints them as generally irredeemable and the laws/police conduct reflect that.
I agree with you 100%. I just don’t necessarily agree that foregoing my Wal-Mart savings is the first step to change.
Consider the “saggy pants” law. Who do you see most often with the saggy pants? Fiddy won’t even be able to perform in some areas in a hot minute. You cannot tell me these laws are not specifically designed to oppress. If this law was anything about moral decency, ban the sh!t Britanny Spears walks around in.
I get so tired of black folk who are so eager to appease and jump on the white folk bandwagon, criticizing other blacks in a half assed attempt at acceptance.
I say fuck acceptance! Let’s do us.
Huh ?
What you talkin about ?
Its our system.
It is class caste based.
Mostly Insurgent is right here, but does not know how to take it a step further with a plan.
Technocracy is the plan.
It gives each citizen of North America an equal share, and it gets rid of Corporations. Permanently.
Start a Technocracy chapter out there.
You want real alternative, or play alternative ?
Technocracy is real alternative.
While our current system of religious leaders and political leaders only support their special interest belief systems, and control us with dumbed down material from the past, and the desire for future caste/class system control, Technocracy has had an actual program to change society completely into a 'good' society.
As Denmark says, it may come down to this society being destroyed through disintegration, and only because Technocracy is perhaps the next most probable, will there be real change.
Thats if we want to survive.
The present system destroys us.
Skip: You want real alternative, or play alternative ?
I'll be back. I'm going upstairs to the 30th floor to ask Mr. Bossman to share the wealth.
Kimberly,
We're in agreement, although I think you're missing the fact that the savings you get at Wal-Mart is at someone else's expense. That's why I think it's hypocritical to protest oppression while supporting the institutions that fund it.
The saggy pants law is about the police state. It's expanding every day and that is what I am talking about and have been talking about here and on TSO. It's not race Kimberly.
The corporations start with Black people, go to Mexicans, then to Muslims because each is an easy public relations sell to the public, but it's just a matter of time before it's all of us.
The only way the feudal estates can come back to life is at the barrel of a gun. Read up on the mercenary armies that are making a killing (literally and figuratively) not just in Iraq, but in New Orleans.
Credit/marketing is the new indentured servitude. "White supremacy" doesn't need to enslave
anyone. The victims enthusiatically pick out and put on their shackles each time they get a new credit card.
Dina said: The corporations start with Black people, go to Mexicans, then to Muslims because each is an easy public relations sell to the public, but it's just a matter of time before it's all of us.
Geez, I hate to sound like Mike, but-to whom are you referring when you say, '"The corporations" that start with black people...' You know, the folks that generate all the propaganda.
I understand though that eventually, and much sooner than most think, the ill-treatment already experienced by blacks will expand to those who believe they are in full control.
Perhaps the fact that most folks in the hood couldn't get a credit card even when they use they momma name is a blessing rather than a curse.
Perhaps the fact that most folks in the hood couldn't get a credit card even when they use they momma name is a blessing rather than a curse.
-Kimberly
Preach.
cause credit kills.
Kimberly,
There is a small elite that runs the world through control of the corporations. They aren't all White. It's actually multi-racial/religious/cultural.
The ruling families of China who run the State-owned oil companies, the ruling families of the Gulf, etc. Those who follow the rules get to play in the sandbox. Those who don't get bombed.
If we keep undermining small business through our purchases at Wal-Mart, we sow the seeds of our destruction. We allow these families to consolidate their ownership of us.
Dina: There is a small elite that runs the world through control of the corporations. They aren't all White. It's actually multi-racial/religious/cultural.
You start at the top.
I'll start in my own backyard.
We all have to start in our own backyard. Start with the Wal-Mart in your backyard that put 100+ family businesses in bankruptcy, which left thousands unemployed or underemployed.
Not sure if you're from LA, but no one handled business or understood that issue better than the local business owners in Inglewood when Wal-Mart proposed to build a super-center there. The locals fought it tooth and nail and won. Sure, the local stores might charge a little more, but 60% of the Inglewood understood what was at stake.
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/04/22/150248
http://money.cnn.com/2004/04/07/news/fortune500/walmart_inglewood/
Gotcha! Truly and honestly, I'm not a Wal-Mart fan. :-)
I assumed you weren't. You are too smart for that. LOL!! :-)
If the system is about class and not race, then there would not be an "ideology that criminalizes Black males, blames them for everything corrupt in society, paints them as generally irredeemable and the laws/police conduct reflect that"; there instead would exist a system that seeks to criminalize anyone and everyone. We know that this does not hold true.
The emphasis is on Black males/ people, not poor people. Class is secondary, this is why Denmark complains when rich black men such as Micheal Vicks, OJ, rappers, etc are targeted by the "ideology".
Anon,
That's a fair question.
Smart rulers use their victims to do their dirty work. So what we see is a media that does the prep work. Gets people worked up by villifying Black men, Muslims, Mexicans, Religious People, etc. The media convince the people that there are extraordinary threats that only the government (which is controlled by the corporations) can protect them from.
They can't do it too much though, or there will be revolt. So they divide each group in two and assign "good" status to one group and "bad" status to the other. Pretty soon, the goods are beating down the bads, and the rulers are laughing all the way to the bank.
Blacks are divided into criminal rap-lovers and decent members of the community. Muslims are divided into "moderate" and "fundamentalist" and Mexicans are divided into "illegal aliens" and "patriotic Americans".
Then, to complete the boondoggle, the government passes a law to lock up crack dealers and holds hearings on rap. All under the guise of answering the calls of the community. "Black people wanted us to do this." I don't want to speak for DV but, if I understand his arguments correctly, this is why he gets so mad about Michael Vick situations and rap-haters. Who wants you to hate rappers? Why is it so fashionable?
While everyone is distracted with this nonsense, the rulers build for profit prisons and fill them up. White people too. If you look at the sex offender laws, you'll see there is going to come a time soon when it's going to be impossible not to violate them.
It's called precedent. You take away people's rights one bit at a time so they don't notice. Get them distracted with race so they don't notice. It's the old saying about the frog. If you put it in a pot of hot water, it will jump out. But if you put it in a pot of cold water and slowly turn up the heat, it will stay put and cook to death.
We are on a slow boil and DV is sounding the fire alarm.
Insurgent.
That was brilliant.
Sorry II
I'm not following you, and believe me I understand everything you said.
Let's start with your first statement:
"Ideology needs to be changed because all conduct comes from ideology. There is currently an ideology that criminalizes Black males, blames them for everything corrupt in society, paints them as generally irredeemable and the laws/police conduct reflect that."
II
Alone from this statement you acknowledged that there is a system that works against black men/ people.
Next:
"It's the system of consumerism/corporatism that is pushing us back to the time of feudalism." II
You then elaborate on this ideology to include class (socio-economic status).
Next:
"That's the system to which I refer. It ain't race. It's class. Yes, the two overlap, but while you're running around crying about White Supremacy, the addiction to consumption that is literally destroying the fabric of society continues unabated." II
The two overlap in an inextricable way. So much so that you cannot assertively claim that this is about class, not race.
Next:
"The saggy pants law is about the police state. It's expanding every day and that is what I am talking about and have been talking about here and on TSO. It's not race Kimberly.
The corporations start with Black people, go to Mexicans, then to Muslims because each is an easy public relations sell to the public, but it's just a matter of time before it's all of us."
All of us? No. One thing you fail to mention when you talk about this expanding police state is the fact that these for profit prison provide for a growing number of jobs for poor rural whites. The War on Drugs has been occurring for two decades now, methamphetamine is a popular choice of drugs amongst poor rural whites… ever wonder why these whites aren't being locked up in high numbers? Clearly someone is needed to run these prisons.
…It is about race and class and really there's no way you can get around this fact.
Next:
"There is a small elite that runs the world through control of the corporations. They aren't all White. It's actually multi-racial/religious/cultural." II
No they aren't all white, but I would venture to guess that they are at least 85% white and no more than 2% black (those who profit off the prison industry).
II here's the problem. You talk about the for-prison, without going back to its origins. The first spurt of for-profit prisons occurred immediately after the abolition of slavery. Blacks were arrested for the slightest crimes committed and forced to work on back on the plantation. Now of course this was done for economical reasons (the South had an agricultural economy) but it does not negate the fact that racism was (and IS) the driving tool.
In fact, II I challenge you to look back in history, from the post-Civil War era (1860s), to the influx of immigration (early 1990s), to the 1980s and you see that racism, along with economics, is the crux of this matter. So while you may argue that money is the prime motivator, for you to deny that racism has no part is deceptive.
Damn Anon, I have to give it to you. You are keeping me on my toes. Thanks! :-)
Let me start with the point that it is not my position that racism has no part. It plays a part, but what part does it play is the issue we should discuss.
It plays a marketing role. It is used to play people off against each other. The media (owned by corporations) convince you that your interests are threatened because of conduct of another group. The British played off the Protestants against the Catholics even though both sides were White.
Each community gets manipulated differently. You think White people are spared all this in order to fill the ranks of prison guards, but it's hard to miss that they are the ones coming home in bodybags from Iraq.
Different people are manipulated differently. People with a self-hating, inferiority complex are easy to control and distract with b.s. like whether Snoop says bitches and hos too much.
White people, with their false sense of superiority, are a different story. The government knows they are the armies of Timothy McVeigh's who aren't going quietly; who are arming themselves to the teeth because they hate the government more than anyone else and pose a greater threat.
All that religious Fox news fight between "secularists" and "God-fearing" people is playing the White community against itself.
And at the end, each community is sold a corporate-produced panacea.
II
"Let me start with the point that it is not my position that racism has no part. It plays a part, but what part does it play is the issue we should discuss."
You made the statement Sep 19, 2007 6:37:00 AM "That's the system to which I refer. It ain't race. It's class. Yes, the two overlap…"
If this is how you feel (that race does play a part) then that will make your former statement null. I have no qualms discussing what extent race plays, but I believe that the two{with respect to the prison industry} are inextricable linked… very much so like the two were linked during American slavery.
"{Race}It plays a marketing role. It is used to play people off against each other. The media (owned by corporations) convince you that your interests are threatened because of conduct of another group. The British played off the Protestants against the Catholics even though both sides were White." II
Yes race is a marketing tool used by corporations (ex for-profit prisons), just like race is a tool used in itself (ex. money spent on state/ federal prisons that do not result in a monetary profit). In the first instance money is gained (measurable); in the second example a sense of "safety" is believed to be achieved through the disproportional imprisonment of black folks (non measurable). Interestingly enough, we observe that racism does not always yield monetary profit- in fact the opposite can occur.
"Each community gets manipulated differently. You think White people are spared all this in order to fill the ranks of prison guards, but it's hard to miss that they are the ones coming home in bodybags from Iraq."
Oh I completely agree that money too is an underlying motive, but your analogy is weak. We can all agree that no one wants to be prisoner in a for-profit prison, yet there are many who willingly wish to serve {and do} their countries as soldiers. I don't want to go off topic, but if the draft was re-instated in the US this would better suit your analogy. As with the Vietnam War, blacks, along with the poor, were (and more likely would) the first ones drafted.
"And at the end, each community is sold a corporate-produced panacea."
True but on one end, corporations would never attempt to sell a package that would cause the "greatest" foreseeable havoc on the white community.
I take that you are arguing from the standpoint that race is only used as a marketing tool… i.e. meaning race is used only if it yields monetary gains. The reason these black men are used to fill private prisons is because corporates choose them as easy targets (divide and conquer) to further their true agenda of gaining money. I'm arguing that while this is true, blacks are imprisoned due to irrational hatred/ fear from whites, so that even if there are no monetary gains / gains at all- such as state penitentiaries- blacks will continue to be imprisoned.
but while you're running around crying about White Supremacy, the addiction to consumption that is literally destroying the fabric of society continues unabated.
yup, yup..., the addiction to tobacco, sugar and caffeine played a pivotal role in the conquest of the new world..., and in the enslavement of millions to feed those "needs".
Here's the problem with the naive view of racism as a form of marketing or branding. While it's clearly a mechanism utilized for the purpose of governance via division and conquest, on an individual level it's actually an induced mental illness in which the host or recipient of the erroneous meme is conditioned to view differing human ethnies as if they are different species.
Catholics and protestants know that their arch nemesis are human. The unadulterated racist is conditioned to believe that Blacks and some others aren't human. It's culturally permissible to commit atrocities against non-humans.
CNulan,
It is correct that it requires dehumanization to justify atrocities. Is that unique to any one group though?
People do it all the time to justify their political views; to deny the humanity of the "other".
Much ado about nothing.
Its caste/class.
Lots of feeding around the edges.
No real talk about real alternative.
Lots of rationale of civil society.
Lots of more of the same.
No real change of the rules of the game. Until that happens you are all blowing smoke.
False alternative in the guise of what we have.
Quoting Democracy NOW one of the most fake and most phony of any news source, Fox or other.
Sad really.
I can see what is in the heart of brainwashed people.
Ignorance.
Complacency.
Serve up another heaping plate of crap. Feed the ignorant.
We are in a dead end society.
Some of you will probably fight for all the shit you believe in.
You will fight because you run the prison.
Lack of creativity will sink us.
IT IS BASED ON CLASS CASTE
Not skin color any more.
It is based on Every thing for me and nothing for you.
Barbarians.
Is that unique to any one group though?
What's unique is the application of the "ethnies as species" cognitive defect on an industrial scale. Whether in;
1. beauracracies that track racial classifications (all do)
2. the systems of law predicted on this defect leveraged for governance and control
3. the mass media that is relentlessly used to reinforce racial memes
4. industrial methods of law enforcement and military disruption used in conjunction with racial cognitive error
What makes this Luciferian occurrence unique is the power that it has accumulated and that it readily uses pursuant to its aims and its whims.
Like for example, when it first discovered the addictive pleasures of sugar.....,
Again bud you are lost in the bullshit.
Cut through the way you think. It`s based on nothing but opinion, and explore something that gets at the real issues.
You are blowing smoke.
By relying on sociological abstract ideas, you really are not looking at real alternative stuff.
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