So II why is Darfur a hoax again?
1) The campaign to "Save Darfur" is a hoax because it's stated goal is to effectuate an OCCUPATION of Sudan with "international" troops.Occupying oil rich Muslim nations sound familiar Casper? Of what does it remind you? (How soon fools are fooled again)
2) Labeling the conflict in Darfur "Genocide" is an absurd exaggeration.
The death toll from other shooting conflicts in Africa makes the comparatively small death toll related to fighting in Darfur seem like a drive by shooting.
3) The numbers quoted about the death toll in Darfur have been intentionally distorted. 80% of the "displacement" is not because of "Janjaweed". It's because of climate change. Nomads from the north are displacing farmers in the south. The real cause of the conflict. Not "Ethnic Cleansing"
4) Darfur has been sold to mainstream Americans as an "Arab Muslim massacre of African Christians." Complete and easily proven lie. All sides of the conflict are black, African and Muslim.
5) Who is driving creating the propaganda and pressuring the US government to sanction and eventually occupy Sudan? The Israeli Lobby. Check it out. Start with Ruth Messinger of the American Jewish Council.
6) Intellegence. Recognizing the pattern of lies that all trace back to the same ideologues who sold us Iraq and one can only come to the conclusion it is a hoax.
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Now let's talk about oil.
Top Oil Reserves African Countries:
1 Libya 40,000,000,000 barrels
2 Nigeria 36,000,000,000 barrels
3 Angolo 25,000,000,000 barrels
4 Algiers 12,460,000,000barrels
5 Egypt 2,700,000,000 barrels
5 Gabon 1,921,000,000 barrels
6 Tunisia 1,700,000,000 barrels
7 Congo Democratic Republic 1,600,000,000 barrels
8 Sudan 1,538,000,000 barrels
Sudan is #34 in the world with 1,538,000,000 barrels in confirmed oil reserves. The U.S. is #14 with 22,450,000,000 barrels in confirmed oil reserves.
#11 Mexico 33,310,000,000 barrels So why not just invade Mexico??? or Aliens for Oil?
Casper,
That was over my head.
Break it down for me man.
Freak them what about Jena 6?
Tunisia is a mostly as a % Muslim nation and has greater oil reserves than Sudan. Same for Egypt, Algeria, Nigeria and Libya...
So II why is Darfur a hoax again?
You tell me Casper. Why is Darfur a genocide, but the Congo is not even mentioned?
In any event, I heard an interesting discussion about these oil reserves #'s the other day. I'll try to find the link because it was a worthwhile explanation about how these reserve numbers are tied to output caps. Thus, oil producers have an incentive to overstate their reserves so they can produce more and make more money. The speaker talked about how many of these estimated reserves are estimates that were made years ago, but have never been revised downwards even though each of these countries has produced millions of barrels each year.
Casper, I realize you love studies, but they don't always tell the whole story.
BTW Casper,
I realize you have difficulty seeing the multiple levels of an issue, but don't forget that the Darfur issue has less to do with humanitarian concerns and more to do with trying to prevent China from getting the oil it needs to sustain its growth into the next superpower.
If you haven't noticed, much of the Darfur political manipulation has been aimed at China. It's a proxy war.
II
Casper, I realize you love studies, but they don't always tell the whole story.
I'd rather build my house with science, ruler and a set of proving plans than with my gut. The reality II is that you use studies in your every day life... So please don't use it as an argument. I am sure you researched your car & car insurance company before you purchased it. Or your new applicances or the neighborhood you purchased your house... So please don't go their.
It doesn't negate the fact that you claimed Darfur was mostly being highlighted because of oil and islam.
II
I realize you have difficulty seeing the multiple levels of an issue, but don't forget that the Darfur issue has less to do with humanitarian concerns and more to do with trying to prevent China from getting the oil it needs to sustain its growth into the next superpower.
Please just don't blab stuff to us... Where's your proof!... I don't listen well to gut feelings. The fact remains that the Sudan is #34 in the world in oil reserves. Mexico has amost 30 times more oil on reserve at #11... What logic is their that China would go after #34 on the list with 30 times less oil than #11 on the list. Your not making sense. You heard it from someone else (DV perhaps) and are following along.. Period
No Sheep Allowed!
DV
Occupying oil rich Muslim nations sound familiar Casper?
Who is occupying Sudan??? And why waste time on number #8 in oil reserves on the African continent and #34 in the world. Why not create the hoax in Mexico??? Which has 30 times the oil reserves of Sudan???
It doesn't negate the fact that you claimed Darfur was mostly being highlighted because of oil and islam.
Actually, I didn't say that. Accra did. Although I think oil is the critical factor in discussing what is going on there.
With regard to studies, they aren't gospel. They can be useful tools, but why are you so eager to take them at face value as if bias and agenda are an impossibility.
I'm not making up anything with regard to the China connection in Darfur. Do you read the news? Did you read that Steven Spielberg was threatening to quit working on the Beijing Olympics if China didn't take a stronger stance on Darfur? Have you read the million and one articles that blame alleged Chinese indifference on Darfur? There would be absolutely no reason to bring up China in the same sentence as Darfur if there weren't a hidden agenda.
You complain about white supremacy, yet you militantly accept everything whites say about everything. No Sheep Allowed!
He has been their.. Have you? or are you reading what someone else wrote?
Don Cheadle Stands Up for Human Rights
Actor Don Cheadle is more recognizable than ever after his Oscar-nominated role in "Hotel Rwanda," which chronicles the 1994 genocide in Rwanda that claimed the lives of more than 800,000 people and created a refugee crisis affecting more than 3 million others. Cheadle played Paul Rusesabagina, a character who proves that one man can truly make a difference. Taking his character's example to heart, Cheadle partners with Amnesty International to raise awareness about the horrific reality of genocide in Africa.
http://www.celebrityvalues.com/don_cheadle.html
Intellectual Insurgent said...
Casper -
Accra pretty much summed it up. Cheadle is letting himself be a pawn of the "Save Darfur" movement, which has nothing to helping Africans. I thought you didn't like pawns.
II you co-signed her previous statement about oil and islam... RIGHT!?
Come on Caper. Be intellectually honest man. You asked a question. Got many answers. Instead of incorporating them into the discussion, you jump back into this defensive game of semantics.
Just check out the points we listed on your own. And get back to us with your perspective.
If you think the millions of dollars being spent on "Save Darfur" and to Lobby Congress to force an international troop occupation of Sudan is 100% legit and altruistic and has nothing to do with 455,000 barrels of oil per day.
That's your head-in-the-sand right.
II
With regard to studies, they aren't gospel. They can be useful tools, but why are you so eager to take them at face value as if bias and agenda are an impossibility.
When is the last time you purchased a brand new car II?
How much did it cost you II?
II
You complain about white supremacy, yet you militantly accept everything whites say about everything. No Sheep Allowed!
Don Cheadle is not white! is he?? do you know something I don't??
II
I'm not making up anything with regard to the China connection in Darfur. Do you read the news? Did you read that Steven Spielberg was threatening to quit working on the Beijing Olympics if China didn't take a stronger stance on Darfur? Have you read the million and one articles that blame alleged Chinese indifference on Darfur? There would be absolutely no reason to bring up China in the same sentence as Darfur if there weren't a hidden agenda.
You complain about white supremacy, yet you militantly accept everything whites say about everything. No Sheep Allowed!
Is Steven Spielberg white. And you listen to him about China??? What gives??
DV
If you think the millions of dollars being spent on "Save Darfur" and to Lobby Congress to force an international troop occupation of Sudan is 100% legit and altruistic and has nothing to do with 455,000 barrels of oil per day.
455,000 barrels is chump change $$$$ It's like a quarter in fiddy's pocket (knew you would like that one)The U.S. alone imports 10,400,000 barrels per day.
DV
Just check out the points we listed on your own. And get back to us with your perspective.
I am not going to be like Fox News or the Bush administration and just say anything without some facts. I try not to operate like that.. Sorry, for raising the bar.
Casper, no one know how much oil reserves Sudan has because due to the civil conflict oil exploration has been limited. It is estimated that vast potential reserves are held in desert regions of Sudan.
In any case this is oil that is now in the hands of China, India and Malaysia.
I ask you this question again... Did oil have anything to do with the conflict in Iraq? Or was the USA just trying to save those poor savages from Saddam and introduce them to "democracy"? or perhaps save the rest of the world from WMD?
Here are assorted news pieces concerning the China connection to Darfur -
With the rapid growth of China in particular, but also of India and a whole raft of middle-sized economies, the rush for the world's remaining oil is under way.
China's need for oil is already influencing its foreign policy. It gets oil in Sudan, therefore anyone wanting sanctions against Sudan over Darfur has to reckon with China. The same goes for Iran, where China is also a buyer.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4573944.stm
Beijing is now one of Sudan's main investors and trading partners. It has spent millions of dollars investing in Sudan's oil infrastructure. Khartoum now exports close to 500,000 barrels of oil per day with much of that going to China.
Beijing has even used its veto at the UN Security Council to block moves to impose sanctions on Sudan unless it stops the fighting in Darfur.
And human rights activists have called on countries to boycott the Beijing Olympics in 2008 because of China's close relationship with Sudan.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6665983.stm
This is also a good read concerning the politics of "genocide".
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/06/04/1334230&mode=thread&tid=25
DV
Darfur has been sold to mainstream Americans as an "Arab Muslim massacre of African Christians." Complete and easily proven lie. All sides of the conflict are black, African and Muslim.
I find that hard to believe when the country is 65% Muslim. So no Christians are caught up in this... Sure!
accra
Casper, no one know how much oil reserves Sudan has because due to the civil conflict oil exploration has been limited. It is estimated that vast potential reserves are held in desert regions of Sudan
Oh!... So they may have less...Is that what you are saying??? BTW The numbers I provided are confirmed oil reserves!!
accra
Did oil have anything to do with the conflict in Iraq? Or was the USA just trying to save those poor savages from Saddam and introduce them to "democracy"? or perhaps save the rest of the world from
Our occupation is because of Israel and the Jewish lobby. AIPAC!
It's all strategic military positioning against Iran... You keeping watching. This shyt is deeper than gas!... Do you know what Peak Oil means?
II
China's need for oil is already influencing its foreign policy. It gets oil in Sudan, therefore anyone wanting sanctions against Sudan over Darfur has to reckon with China. The same goes for Iran, where China is also a buyer.
How much oil does China get from Sudan??? of the *455,000 per day?? (*Source DV)
I got a surprise for ya?
II
Beijing has even used its veto at the UN Security Council to block moves to impose sanctions on Sudan unless it stops the fighting in Darfur.
And human rights activists have called on countries to boycott the Beijing Olympics in 2008 because of China's close relationship with Sudan.
Bigger issue... China sells arms to Iran... Much deeper shyt going on here. Thus the Israel lobby AIPAC want to slow China's involvement in the region... unless they stop supplying Chinese arms to Iran.
Another interesting piece on so-called "proven" oil reserves -
Unfortunately, according to the world-renowned oil geologist Dr Colin Campbell, these totals are deceptive. They're deceptive because the major oil-exporting nations have major incentives for exaggerating their estimates of reserves: the more reserves they can claim, the more oil they can pump.
Campbell calls these overstated reserves "paper reserves" or "political reserves." He estimates that fully 30% of stated global oil reserves are in fact of the paper/political variety. Furthermore, he claims that a large percentage of "undiscovered resources" should not even be considered resources because they are not economically recoverable now, and never will be.
After subtracting for "political reserves" and "unrecoverable resources," Campbell comes up with about 900 Gb remaining. But of course these 900 Gb are not the same as the 900 Gb that we've already burned. In geologist's terminology, a good part of them are much "tighter and deeper," that is, they are much harder to find and much harder to extract and refine.
Here's another good one entitled "New Study Raises Doubts About Saudi Oil Reserves"
http://www.iags.org/n0331043.htm
http://www.daviesand.com/Perspectives/Forest_Products/Oil_Reserves/index.html
Note: Dr Colin Campbell calculates that over 300 Gb of reserve claims are spurious (Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, UA Emirates, Kuwait, Venezuela). He also states that much of the undiscovered resources are in fact "unconventional oil" (tar sands, oil shales and other currently unrecoverable resources) and will be much more expensive to extract than "conventional" reserves, and therefore should not be considered as equivalent to reserves.
For many oil fields, the total energy used in finding, extracting, refining and transporting the oil will approach the energy in the oil itself. At that point, the energy profit ratio approaches 1:1 and it becomes more economical to just leave that oil in the ground, and to look for other energy resources elsewhere.
To connect the dots -
Sudan, emerging from decades of civil war, produces around 500,000 barrels per day of crude, mostly the sweet refinery grade Nile Blend and the more acidic Dar Blend.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/business/20070803-0348-energy-sudan-.html
The term “sweet” refers to a class of crude oil with a low sulfur content, usually less than 0.5%. The opposite is, of course, “sour” crude. The sulfur content is important as sulfur oxides from the combustion of fossil fuels are the direct causes of acid rain. Sweet crude can be refined more easily into pricier end products such as gasoline as opposed to, say, heating oil.
http://investmiddleway.blogspot.com/2006/05/sweet-and-sour.html
So Casper, since the US went to Iraq because of the Jewish Lobby and Iran ( which means they lied to us), it is then entirely possible and quite probable that the US could be lying to us once again over the so called genocide in Darfur.
I'm sorry, I for one do not buy that story. US foreign policy is first and foremost about self interest and if it can be combined with some humanitarian assistance all the better.
II
They're deceptive because the major oil-exporting nations have major incentives for exaggerating their estimates of reserves: the more reserves they can claim, the more oil they can pump.
So what you are saying is that this may not be about OIL then??? That's exactly what I am saying!
accra
I'm sorry, I for one do not buy that story. US foreign policy is first and foremost about self interest and if it can be combined with some humanitarian assistance all the better
HELLO! where do we have over 100,000 troops in Sudan or Iraq???
AIPAC/Congress could careless about Darfur. Distraction...So you stop talking about Iraq and Iran and Israel
Casper,
Why can't you settle down? Do you want to have an exchange of ideas or do you just come here to vent your frustrations about life?
We've had an exchange of facts. Draw whatever conclusions affirm your theories and I'll draw the conclusions that I think are most reasonable. We don't have to agree and this faux Q&A session is getting boring.
You argued about proven oil reserves. I responded. That's it. In my view, Darfur is unquestionably about oil/China (the Islam component just makes it an easier public relations sale) and, maybe it's also about the Israeli lobby.
Are the two explanations mutually exclusive?
No troops in Sudan yet! and if indeed AIPAC( whatever that is)/congress couldn't care less about Darfur, then why all the noise?
Casper, we can agree to disagree about this one.
II
Darfur is unquestionably about oil/China
1)China is not the only country in the Sudan producing oil.
2)Internal fighting over Sudan's farm land that has oil is what's going on.
3)Sudan is 65% Muslim so you figure out who is more than likely in control.
4)Noble men like Mr. Cheadle who has actually been to the region and spent his time to alert others of both Rwanda and Sudan should not be hated on.
It amazes me how some of you call some of us rap haters because we disagree with the use of violent lyrics and sexual content being accessible to our kids. While their is a decent brother who is in the mother land witnessing the destruction of our brothers and sisters over land/$$ and ya'll dismiss him and hate on him... Like he is making money on this cause unlike fiddy making loot with Iovine. There is something wrong with this picture!
II
Why can't you settle down? Do you want to have an exchange of ideas or do you just come here to vent your frustrations about life?
BTW you always resort to this tactic of suggesting someone is out of control when your point is getting lost. There is nothing for me to settle down from. I am and will always be in control. So maybe you need to relax a bit because I think maybe your mistaken me for your hubbie ;) Good day !
accra
No troops in Sudan yet! and if indeed AIPAC( whatever that is)/congress couldn't care less about Darfur, then why all the noise?
What noise. I turn on the TV read the paper. Listen to NPR and their talking about Iraq, Iran, Housing slump, etc. I heard not one concern for Darfur until this blog.
Really Casper?
Intellectual Insurgent, you summed it up nicely!
So maybe you need to relax a bit because I think maybe your mistaken me for your hubbie ;)
I'm going to assume this is good-natured humor and not an attempt to make this personal.
China is not the only country in the Sudan producing oil.
?????
Internal fighting over Sudan's farm land that has oil is what's going on.
I don't disagree with this point. Internal fighting = civil war. That doesn't = genocide. And that's the entire point. The politics of naming this a genocide is what's wrong with the picture. Did you read Mahmoud Mamdani's articles I linked above?
You are conflating issues. Don Cheadle can be the kindest person in the world but that doesn't mean he isn't getting played on this alleged genocide.
I've asked you before. Is it possible that Darfur is BOTH about the Israeli lobby and oil/China? Are the two explanations mutually exclusive?
II
I don't disagree with this point. Internal fighting = civil war. That doesn't = genocide. And that's the entire point.
Did you read the Head of Sudan's defense department statement. If there is genocide then the Jews are over stating the number killed. What does that mean to you?
II
I've asked you before. Is it possible that Darfur is BOTH about the Israeli lobby and oil/China? Are the two explanations mutually exclusive?
These are the three countries operating oil production in Sudan
China National Petroleum Corp.
Petrolium Nasional Berhad(Malaysia)
India's ONGC Videsh Ltd
It means they are manipulating the conflict for political reasons. We're not in disagreement over this issue.
Is it possible they are manipulating this issue because they want to bring China to heel financially?
II
Is it possible that a Muslim run African govt. wants to control Sudan's oil supply for their own profit/control. Thus when new reserves where discovered they needed to run people off of their land to take control. And when the people resisted they decided to use deadly force... Is that plausible? Hasn't that happened before? Are you guys that shell shocked from Iraq?
Do you mean, is it possible that a country's government believes it has the right to control that country's natural resources?
If that is your question, then hell yes.
OK...
So if the U.S. govt. came to run you off your land because they wanted what was underneath it. Oh yeah and you don't get compensated for leaving. Oh yeah and you have no weapons to protect yourself. Oh yeah and you decided that they would have to kill you to get you to leave. Why do you think would be the end result??
In most if not all African countries, there are laws that rule the ownership of natural resources.
If you discover gold on your land, the gold belongs to the State, however you are compensated for your land.
You could also apply to the state for a concession for mining and pay the state royalties...... this is done all over.
Can you imagine the chaos and anarchy that would arise in these parts if such commodities were owned by the land owners, we would have little fiefdoms all over the place.
Many times the discovery of natural resources has caused unrest or even civil war, because every one wants that resource for themselves including those on whose land that resource was found.
Southern Sudan wants to break away from the rest of Sudan, the Delta region in Nigeria wants their own country.... long civil war in Angola, DRC, Biafra, all because of the control of resources.
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