Sunday, June 05, 2011

That's Cool... But Not My Son.


BOISE, Idaho (AP) -- The Boise State running back who scored the winning points in the Fiesta Bowl, then proposed to his cheerleader girlfriend on national television, says he has hired security for their wedding because of racial threats.
 

Ian Johnson, who is black, and Chrissy Popadics, who is white, are due to be married Saturday in Boise.

Since his Jan. 1 proposal, Johnson said, he has received phone calls, letters and some personal threats from people who object to their marriage plans.
"You take it for what it is -- the less educated, the less willing to change," Johnson, 21, of San Dimas, Calif., told the Idaho Statesman for its Tuesday editions. "But we're not acting like we're naive to all the stuff that's going on. We know what's been said. We're going to make sure we're safe at all times. It's an amazing day for us, and we'd hate to have it ruined by someone."
"It's really sad because a lot of people that are probably doing it are the same people who were cheering me on," Johnson said.
A Boise State football spokesman, Todd Miles, said Tuesday that Johnson hoped to put the matter behind him and did not want to discuss it further. Popadics' family said she was not available.
At the Fiesta Bowl, Johnson used a "Statue of Liberty" play to score the winning two-point conversion as underdog Boise State beat the Oklahoma Sooners 43-42 in overtime. The Broncos ended their season 13-0.

54 comments:

Michael Fisher said...

So if your son wanted to marry a white girl, you'd object? Why?

Denmark Vesey said...

Nah, I wouldn't object. At that point it's too late.

I just wouldn't wait until he was down on his knees on National Television proposing to Heidi Pumpernickel, after winning a bowl game to bring it up.

I think a brotha gives something up when he doesn't partner with a sista.

No racism.

Just snobbishness.

Michael Fisher said...

so what does he give up?

Anonymous said...

That's BS. I don't think you can criticize others for racism when you hold it in your own heart.

Remove the block from thine own eye. ;-)

Axinar said...

Now wait a minute ... Dr. Frederick KC Price, in person, in my presence, in Fairfield, Ohio, once went on a 3-hour diatribe about a tape recorded by his former mentor, a white minister, going on and on about how he wouldn't want his daughter dating a black man.

Dr. Price said, "Now look, I've been married to Mrs. Price for something on the order of 50 years. I'm not looking for a date. But if you're saying you don't want my son dating your daughter then you're saying *I* am less of a person than *YOU* and that I *DO* have an issue with ..."

Denmark, are you saying you wouldn't want YOUR daughter dating MY son??? :)

Anonymous said...

I do not want my son dating/marrying a white girl woman. same for my daughter.

i make this clear to them and why.

what they choose to do ultimately will be their decision as it is their life. but i will teach i don't want them to do it like i teach i want them to go to college and acknowledge god.

Denmark Vesey said...

Good question Axinar. You set it up well.

I'll answer your question, but allow me to put things in a proper context.

First of all. My daughter won't be doing much "dating"?

Because today, "dating" is a polite way of saying "fucking".

An intelligent young girl adequately familiar with both the realities of pre-marital sex and the immense value of a healthy marriage is inclined to focus her energy on finding a man she is likely to build a healthy marriage.

Expecting the amazing young prince of a man she will fall in love with and marry to be a brotha, is not a product of racism, but one of culture and class.

The NeoLiberal Assumption that unless you are just dying for your daughter to marry anybody from Yao Ming to Adam Sandler you are a Nazi racist, is presumptive and counterproductive.

Of course I want my daughter to marry a man as close to her Daddy as possible.

I'm supposed to feel that way. Nature designed me that way.

Any father who says "it doesn't make any difference to him" is lying or is a feminized punk-ass conformist.

No offense.

But, tell me. How do you see it?

You would have no problem with your son marrying LaQuanda Jackson?

Denmark Vesey said...

The State Of . . . said...
That's BS. I don't think you can criticize others for racism when you hold it in your own heart.

Nah Grasshopper. You are presumptive.

I criticize no one for "racism". Racism doesn't particularly bother me.

Nor do I practice it.

Ya'll Civil Rights Negros ... ;-} ... ultimately see everything as racism. It's your comfort zone.

Denmark Vesey said...

Michael Fisher said...

so what does he give up?

Valuable cultural context and certain genetic advantages.

J.C. said...

I think a brotha gives something up when he doesn't partner with a sista.

I knew you were fucked up but that tells me for sure.

Jasai said...

I do not want my son dating/marrying a white girl woman. same for my daughter.

i make this clear to them and why.

what they choose to do ultimately will be their decision as it is their life. but i will teach i don't want them to do it like i teach i want them to go to college and acknowledge god.

So, You are a fucked up bigot also ?
That came as a surprise.

Anonymous said...

too bad I just got home. Been a long ass day, I aint even gonna start.

J.C. said...

Its no surprise after getting to know Denmark that he is a bigot.

Finding out that Jasai is one also is kind of a shock.

Interesting that both tie it into god.
Back in Africa in some places the dad fucks the daughter just to break her in.
That is considered normal by some of society`s standards.
Kind of a surprise that Denmark here is such a pathetic advocate of the Jewish religion, even to the point of the racial bigotry.
It must have been drilled into one of the holes in his head.
Really disgusting to me. I will not be spending a lot of time here in the future despite some of the clever players here.
There is a nasty stink.

the good nurse said...

Dang, skip. Is all the profanity and name calling really required to make your point?
the good nurse

Denmark Vesey said...

Skip,

1) What is a "bigot" ... exactly?

2) Unfortunately, like the term "anti-Semite", one is more likely to be called a bigot, not when they hate other people, but when other people hate them.

3) Is a Danish man who would like his daughter to marry a Dane, also a Bigot?

Denmark Vesey said...

Stephani said...

Dang, skip. Is all the profanity and name calling really required to make your point?
the good nurse

My apologies Sista Nurse, sometimes I let a few fly myself when in the midst of talking to the fellas. I forget ladies are listening.

Regarding Skip, have you noticed how these NeoLiberal, secular, 'We Are The World Types' can be extremely intolerant to the views of others?

Either you buy into their, Godless, man-knows-best, situational ethics or you risk public crucifixion.

Nah. I'll tell you straight up. I want my son to marry a black woman. I could give a shit about a bunch of pitbulls in Virginia as long as children are dying in Somalia and I root for any team that has a black quarterback or coach.

Does that make me a bigot? Well kiss my bigot ass.

Oh. Scuse me Sista Nurse.

I got carried away.

Anonymous said...

fortunately skip, this thing you have "found out" about me doesn't actually change one thing about except how you now feel. which i can neither control nor care to spend any time on.

you see, as soon as i start caring about what people think of me, good or bad, i fall into the trap of being somebody else's version of jasai.

i know about being a black woman. there is a beauty and texture to it that illuminates homes and children and marriages. My children have been raised beneath the arch of that glow. I want that for my grandchildren and my great grandchildren after that.

what i know is that not everything i want will i get. but a girl can dream and a mother can teach.

farewell dear skip. it's been my pleasure.

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Michael Fisher said...

DV...

"Valuable cultural context and certain genetic advantages."

While I am doubtful of either an advantage or valuable cultural context when it comes to your person ;) (Ergo Young Lion MUST be taking after his Mom, handsome as he is), I feel ya.

Now, Dr. Francis Cress Welsing says that this is percisely the reason for the existence of White Supremacy.

Would you agree with that?

Denmark Vesey said...

Mike,

I know this sounds blasphemous, but I don't think "White Supremacy" exists.

Except for in the minds of those who buy into it.

Regarding the young Kimba, nah man. Chip off the ol' block.

Anonymous said...

So if your daughter had to choose between a brother who was abusive to her versus a latin dude who loved her ... respected her... and a hard worker. Which would you choose. We can appreciate the honesty of the parents projecting their beliefs and values on their children. However, can one really promote the values of GOD and promote the values of racism?? Choosing a person based on skin color is the way to select one's life partner? So you think Harold Ford has more flavor than Marshall Mathers? Are you participants in group think by which by society divides individual humans into categories based on an attribute. Versus judging a person's character and values. Allow your children to become more critical thinkers and not just critics!

Anonymous said...

He we go with "the black murderous husband v. white angelic husband" segment of the conversation. ZZZZZZ, Casper. come with something else.

Anonymous said...

DV,

Like a good psuedo-revolutionary, you have mastered the art of "spin." You'll rant to holy hell when an Israeli spits on a Palestinian, but what's the diff between you and them?

Stick to the Dharma, even in times of mental anguish. Rather, ESPECIALLY in times of mental anguish. I.e., even though we all possess racial affinity, that does not mean it's "natural" to teach your children that people of another race are not worthy of their love.

Jasai,

Shame on you.

Big J

Anonymous said...

Mr. Skip, I object to your statement that " back in Africa in some places the father fucks the daughter just to break her in" for one, Africa is a continent with many autonomous countries... which country where you talking about pray tell? secondly, I don't think you have to use Africa to make whatever point it is you were trying to make..... perhaps a little closer to home... maybe West Virginia and numerous other places in your country where incest is the norm and not the exception....

On the issue of marrying out of one's race, I believe, to each their own..... my mother is german, my father ghanaian.... I am glad they were allowed to marry each other... cos I like being here. Myself and my sister are married to ghanaians , the other sister to a caucasian american. Interesting family......
I would have no problems with my children marrying out of their race!

Intellectual Insurgent said...

I don't think it's so much a matter of race as it is a matter of culture. My parents didn't tell my sister and I we had to marry a particular race, but they were very firm in which cultures they did not believe would be compatible with ours.

My husband is a different race than I, but his parents are culturally so much like my family that he fit in from day one and our families hit it off immediately.

I would tell my kids the same. Choose someone with the same culture. To the extent race and culture intersect, then call me a bigot because there are some cultures that I don't mix with now and will strongly encourage and warn my children to stay the hell away from.

Anonymous said...

Robyn
He we go with "the black murderous husband v. white angelic husband" segment of the conversation. ZZZZZZ, Casper. come with something else.

That was a very intellectual reply I must say. Don't overwhelm us now with some original opinion other than DV's!?

Anonymous said...

II
"I would tell my kids the same. Choose someone with the same culture. To the extent race and culture intersect, then call me a bigot because there are some cultures that I don't mix with now and will strongly encourage and warn my children to stay the hell away from."

That's a little better. But are you effectively teaching your kids not to grow/challenge themselves as humans who live on the planet Earth. Most wealthy families(Old money)send their kids abroad to study for periods of time. I have such a friend who sent his son to Europe to study for a year. Needless to say the young man is one of the well rounded young teenage person you will ever meet. So I say expand your mind past Compton. I mean what is the harm in learning another culture or at least experiencing differences from time to time. That's why ignorance becomes the gasoline for the flame. Group think. Don't let historical rhetoric hold you back.

Robyn.. you still thinking.. remember you started it ;)

Anonymous said...

Actually Casper, I was working. Dismissing your arguments didnt/dont take much thought, as per usual. And so you know, my reply was intellectually proportional to the substance of your original comment, hence my snoring.

Intellectual Insurgent said...

Casper,

What are you talking about? I have been to almost 40 countries on this planet and speak 3 languages, with an ability to understand and read a few more. I know culture and I've learned culture.

And there are some that are simply incompatible with my values and with the values I will raise my children with. It's that simple. Learning about other cultures and accepting them are two different things.

Anonymous said...

Robyn once again no social redeeming statement from you. Only the caddy sista talk that amounts to nothing/zero. I find that's the norm from you. So be it... get back to work before the boss man catches you blogging... "oh nah bossa man i jus readin."

Anonymous said...

When one is forced to support their opinion by offering two very extreme examples that fall on opposite ends of any given spectrum, their opinion (i.e., yours) aint sayin a lot.

Let me help you. A better question to pose would have been

"So DV, which would you wish for your daughter, a man who is Black but does not share any of her experiences/beliefs regarding home life, family, spirituality, education, etc. , or a man of another race who did."

And to think, I came up with a better inquiry than you all while, reading my mail, listening to itunes, surfing the net and taking calls at the office.

Step your game up Casper.

Anonymous said...

II

Cool... Then we agree

Anonymous said...

Damn Casper, is it me or you "sittin in a tree with DV?"

Come up with your own schtick. Slave speak is taken.

Caddy sista?! Not really, but okay. Better than "scared and intimidated sell out brotha!"

Anonymous said...

Robyn,

My dear legal aid... My statement was not addressed to DV for your info. And so I say to you.. why don't you express your own opinion on the topic versus attacking mine. I said what I wanted to say it. If you have a positive counter than share it with the 5 other so persons here.

Don't Hate Participate!

Cuz otherwise your coming across as the sterotypical negative sista type. With the auto head movement action. So step down your drama please. Cuz I don't play games... and that's so 80's anyway my sista.

Anonymous said...

and what the hell is a "social redeeming statement."

Perhaps you meant socially redeeming statement?

But even with that, what the fuck are you talking about? LOL!

Anonymous said...

Robyn,

I used DV's slave talk cuz I know how thrilled & tickled you get when DV uses it.. and you understand it too ;)

Anonymous said...

Casper: "With the auto head movement action. So step down your drama please. Cuz I don't play games... and that's so 80's anyway my sista."

Is that you stepping your game up? I just want to know what that reads like, so I dont miss it when it comes around again, sometime in September, being that you offer something substantive every few months or so.

Anonymous said...

So what, is that the problem, I like DV better than you?

Anonymous said...

Robyn,

Sorry if you don't get it!... Next time just ask versus the sista daytime drama ghetto behavior. Keep your neck still now ;)

Don't hate... Participate!

Anonymous said...

Robyn,

For all you know I could be DV


T.I. vs. T.I.P.


So watch yourself.. ;)

Anonymous said...

sista daytime drama behavior........

We've reached new heights now.

Anonymous said...

And if you are DV then....."DV thats some dumb ass shit you've been writing for the last 5 minutes. Step your game up if you want to be taken seriously." Stupid is stupid, Casper.

Anonymous said...

But I'm getting bored with this. Have a good day.

Anonymous said...

Guess that means you would take the abusive brother... Good choice Robyn !

Hmmm just like...
Robyn & Mike Tyson

What's your last name again?

Denmark Vesey said...

Casper,

I see why you hate rappers. You struggle with jealousy. You are the quintessential player hater.

You so worried about me, you can't muster a coherent reply to Robyn.

But you don't really want it with me.

Denmark Vesey said...

Casper said...
So if your daughter had to choose between a brother who was abusive to her versus a latin dude who loved her ... respected her... and a hard worker."


Come on man. Why would my daughter "have to choose"?

I think you and Skip and Cousin Big J misunderstand the premise of the post. Preferring my daughter marry a man more like her father and her grandfather and her great-grandfather and her great great grand-father is NOT A HATRED OF WHITE PEOPLE.

It's a love of yourself.

Anonymous said...

But, recall Casper wasnt even posing that question to you....

Casper: "Robyn, My dear legal aid... My statement was not addressed to DV for your info."

Axinar said...

"You would have no problem with your son marrying LaQuanda Jackson?"

Well, hmmm ...

What is it that they say that one picture is worth a thousand words?? :)

Anonymous said...

DV
"I think you and Skip and Cousin Big J misunderstand the premise of the post. Preferring my daughter marry a man more like her father and her grandfather and her great-grandfather and her great great grand-father is NOT A HATRED OF WHITE PEOPLE."

#1 You said "not my son"... which implies if he were interested in some one other than a AA sista you would not endorse his love due to race.

#2 Your grand parents didn't have much of a choice to be in an interracial relationships back in those days. They also consumed pig feet which I am sure your not going to continue that tradition now are ya!

#3 For the 175th time I don't hate rap... I hate rappers who polute my young people's minds with non- productive lyrics though... Just to clarify. That includes 50 Cent. I hate Jimmy Iovine too.

#4 If you review the thread... Your sidekick Robyn inserted your name into the discussion not I.

Anonymous said...

DV
Aren't you HATING on the Boise State football player... Just because of his love interest. Hypocrisy lives again!

Anonymous said...

That guy is obviously mulatto anyway his mother is likely white so who cares...

Seven Half Store said...

I'm with you DV. I dont even sugar coat the shit with men in my life. I tell all my male friends and male cousins, brothers and all not to marry a white chick.

Flat out. I TELL THEM not to do it and they respect my commandments. lol

HaitianChick said...

DV said:
3) Is a Danish man who would like his daughter to marry a Dane, also a Bigot?

I can't believe DV's statement has 52 comments. As if what he said is so controversial. Wait a minute, I guess it is if you're black.

I've never witnessed a Latin American, Irish, Native-American, or Asian person get bashed for saying they want their kids to marry within their race and/or culture which are so closely intertwined that it makes sense for DV to make such a statement.

It's the self-hating black folks who have the problem.

Anonymous said...

Really who cares.