Say What You Want About Mike Fisher.The Man Aint Scared.
Michael Fisher said...
"The woman in the picture above, assuming she's the one responsible for this "Hot Ghetto Mess" is expressing nothing else than what Oprah and the folks who go after a Michael Vick express and suggest be done to black males on a regular:Strip them of their "false pride". Humiliate them. Castrate them. Neuter Vick."
Preach Mike.
Deconstruct the Hate Hip Hop campaigns and you will discover the same motive.
What if the situation were reversed? What if a father punished his daughter on a public street like this?
Fist Tap: Kid Blaze
45 comments:
Hey, keep the kids on track via any means necessary. Good for her.
I LOVE IT!!!
THAT is parenting! I know there's much more going on and this is just an excercise. ooooooh he better keep his little sticky fingers to himself. . .
that'll learn him. :-)
I don't know ya'll.
See. This is touchy. Disciplining a boy is incredibly complex. Humiliating a young brotha does not prepare him for the world. No. Allowing him to steal is unacceptable. And stealing does deserve punishment. However, what is the goal?
For example. When I was 13, as soon as that woman turned her head, I would have written: I STEAL BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY AND I DON'T WANT TO BE IN THIS F'KED UP ASS NEIGHBORHOOD. IF MOMMA HAD DONE SOMETHING WITH HER LIFE OR NOT BEEN ANOTHER VICTIM OF WELFARE AND SOCIAL ENGINEERING I WOULD BE HEALTHIER HAPPIER AND LESS COMPELLED TO STEAL. I WISH MY DAD HAD JOINED THE NATION OF ISLAM.
You were one seriously enlightened 13-year-old. :-)
and you would have gotten your ass whooped.
sometimes you have to learn to play the hand you're dealt.
cause a punk ass excuse when you're 13 turns into punkass excuses when you're 30.
The whole approach of that despicable woman is fucked up. What does her son's (assuming she's the momma) stealing have to do with his dad? She is equating her own son with his father, which tell the boy that he is not really responsible for what he did, it's a trait he inherited from "daddy".
It is also a way that this woman is taking out her anger at a grown man by humiliating a boy.
If the woman you are supposed to trust most of the world humiliates you like that, all that happens is that you turn out another Big J.
How did I get roped into this?
Was that a shot at Big J?
Big J
I was wondering the same thing J.
Excellent point about the double standard DV. Somehow it's considered good parenting to humiliate boys, but people would call for the arrest of a parent who put her daughter on a street corner with a sign. They'd not only charge here with child abuse, but with running a prostitution ring.
Both approaches lack compassion, restraint and respect (for the child, themselves and the other parent), all of which you need in abundance in order to effectively raise children.
Insurgent,
What do you think is the nature of that double standard?
Why is our collective cultural reflex to explain away female indiscretion with psycho-babble?
Have you noticed this need / desire to punish men? Particularly to punish young black men? (Negro Flogging of The Week)
jasai said...
Both approaches lack compassion, restraint and respect (for the child, themselves and the other parent), all of which you need in abundance in order to effectively raise children.
"and the other parent"
Awesome, beautiful, poetic, poignant and increasingly rare acknowledgment of a very deep truth.
Damn. Jasai, you on a roll today.
However, noticed no one addressed the meat of Fisher's point. You might have to give the man some props.
I don't know why he grabbed Big J, in his digital collar either. But Mike is right.
That woman IS MORE WRONG THAN MIKE VICK.
Either way, I think it would show a failure of communication from parent to child. Making a sign is just an acknowledgment of failed parenting.
Big J
I fail to see the intellect in repeated itterations (sp) of the same theme, i.e., somewhere 100 years ago,some black woman hurt me and arguably failed me, therefor, I will subconsciously, hell maybe even consciously, take the position, that the actions of black women are mal-intended, insufficient, inappropriate and all around wrong and bad.....I knew all of this before I grew up and got married but that evil winch of wife I managed to have confirmed what I already knew (even though I slipped up and let her fool me for a while). But I do have hope, and it comes on the form of my daughter. I will ensure that she is unlike all the rest of these dastardly black women by using fool proof methods. I will raise her as my son - no female influences of any kind. Even if its one woman at a time, I will undo the evil in them.
Yeah, okay, props to you Mike.
[insert compassion here]
i think the mother was comparing her son's bad choices and mistakes to those of his father.
Real talk, this could be his grandmother.
This is the picture of frustration and desperation. This could also be his 3rd, 4th or 5th offense.
I don't know y'all. I'm not ready to say this is a totally bad idea and will ruin this boy for life.
At 13, he may need some humiliation to sober up and let a few things sink in, because at 15 he'll be tried as an adult for going along with the crowd and doing God knows what.
Answer this question, what else should she have done?
As far as the girl having sex, apples and oranges.
DV...
"Hi!!, I am 13 years old and I'm having sex already..."
Oooooh snap, Bro.
You said I'M fearless?
DV, the Fearless Award of the Century goes to you!
Much RESPECT!!!
Big J:
90% of black men are no good, 40% are homos. And what was that you said about black mothers a while ago which Jasai took you to task for?
On that boy.
The fact alone that he is standing in the middle of the street letting himself be humiliated at the behest of his mother, grandmother, or whoever she is, shows that he has plenty of respect for that woman.
There is no way in hell that I would have stood out on the street like that. No way. Not at 13, not at 12. Not at 11 not at 10, not at 9. But CERTAINLY not at 13. My mother or my father or both would've had to kill me.
In sum. The woman was able to have the boy humiliate himself because she used HIS RESPECT FOR HER against him.
That is why, aside from the act itself, she is despicable
maybe he said he wanted to go to prison to be with his daddy...
stranger things have happened.
Kalena said...
"I don't know y'all. I'm not ready to say this is a totally bad idea and will ruin this boy for life."
That is exactly why most women can not raise a boy to be a man.
If you do not understand the MOST FUNDAMENTAL underpinnings of male psycology then you are not qualified to raise a male child. Period.
You will raise a neutered, irresponsible, girly man who has no idea that masculinity is not all about "fucking bitches", and "making throphies".
Jasai..
"maybe he said he wanted to go to prison to be with his daddy..."
You are really reaching...
My comment to that:
See the comment to Kalena above.
Jasai..
"maybe he said he wanted to go to prison to be with his daddy..."
You are really reaching...
My comment to that:
See the comment to Kalena above.
//If you do not understand the MOST FUNDAMENTAL underpinnings of male psycology then you are not qualified to raise a male child. Period.// Fisher
So I take it that these black absentee fathers understand the MOST FUNDAMENTAL underpinnings of the male psychology any better? If so where the hell are they?
anon..
"I take it that these black absentee fathers understand the MOST FUNDAMENTAL underpinnings of the male psychology any better? If so where the hell are they?"
For one thing you can spell psychology better than I. That's a plus. These absentee black fathers, to the extent to which they are voluntarily absentee black fathers fall under the category:
"neutered, irresponsible, girly man who has no idea that masculinity is not all about 'fucking bitches', and 'making throphies'."
"You will raise a neutered, irresponsible, girly man who has no idea that masculinity is not all about "fucking bitches", and "making throphies".
-MF
and who can't choose or keep a wife.
i think something about pots and kettles could be applied to mike's comments.
as he is raising a daughter with no mother.
These absentee black fathers, to the extent to which they are voluntarily absentee black fathers fall under the category:
"neutered, irresponsible, girly man who has no idea that masculinity is not all about 'fucking bitches', and 'making throphies'."
SMH at your aggression toward women, MF. Why is it that when you actually do address absentee fathers, you bring it back to 'it's their momma's fault'?
"Like a compass needle that points north, a man's accusing finger always finds a woman. Always."
kalena, it's merely a reflection of his deepest self. as all things in our constant notice are.
"and who can't choose or keep a wife."
Jasai, I was married longer than you have been a grown woman. As soon as you reach 14 years plus one day of your marriage you can start criticizing me. Not at any time before that.
"i think something about pots and kettles could be applied to mike's comments.
as he is raising a daughter with no mother."
That MAYBE, would be the case if I had said anything about single parents. I didn't. The question specifically addressed the ability of black women understanding black boys.
Besides, "with no mother" is not entirely accurate. The mother has complete and unfettered visitation rights.
The picture and the sign above is typical of an attitude being actively pushed and thus endemic among black women today.
So it is in a society run by white supremacy.
The woman in the picture above, assuming she's the one responsible for this "Hot Ghetto Mess" is expressing nothing else than what Oprah and the folks who go after a Michael Vick express and suggest be done to black males on a regular:
Strip them of their "false pride". Humiliate them. Castrate them. Neuter Vick.
I think Michael said:
"That is exactly why most women can not raise a boy to be a man.
If you do not understand the MOST FUNDAMENTAL underpinnings of male psycology then you are not qualified to raise a male child. Period."
To that I say:
Who asked to be qualified? And what qualifies the qualifiers...a penis??? My qualifications to raise a male child are my vagina, my uterus, my breast milk, my love and my brain!!! And I am fully credentialed. What are these "most fundamental underpinings"...teach me PLEASE! Do you even know??? I am a nurturer...that is what I do...I cannot help that I do not have big muscles, bass in my voice, and a threatening stare...God did not give me that...which is probably why his father was attracted to me in the first place. But I do have a belt, and will use it. But my son is almost as tall as me now...and corporal punishment doesn't work on an almost grown man.
I did not ask to raise a son by myself. So please brothers, stop insulting me and the other women that are out here trying to raise good men...you are beating up the choir. I could have had an abortion, put my baby up for adoption, or just walked out of the hospital. But I didn't. And that is a choice many mothers make EVERY MORNING of their lives while fathers make the same choice to be absent every day as well! I have put my life plans down for now because my son did not ask to have one parent. He did not ask to be brought here. He deserves to have a parent that is in his corner daily. And I take my responsibility seriously. Unlike some "qualifiers" I know.
I wish I had read Neely Fuller back then..."Black women, the children you have belong to you and you only. In the end nobody else will take responsibility for them. It's all on you." Maybe I would have prepared better or done things differently.
My son, who is generally a good kid that can get mannish and refuse to follow the instructions of women (puberty/hormones, generally has his mother wrapped around his finger. He is not "neutered, irresponsible, girly man who has no idea that masculinity is not all about 'fucking bitches', and 'making throphies'." He is an excellent student, a good citizen, and a loving child. And I DID THAT! I make him think about his actions and the kind of life he wants to live...his dad talks to him every so often...and he visits him in the summer...but I am raising him.
Now, as to why his father chooses to be as hands off as he is??? I refuse to give him the "girly man" pass. How can this be the excuse??? His father is raising his two other children. In fact, I have noticed that many brothers will raise/provide for whatever children are in the house where they get sex before they raise their own. Some brothers raise the children they have with their white sex partners, and ignore their Black children. Some brothers raise the children in their marriages only. I would love to call my son's father names, but my son looks like, and in some ways acts like his father...whom he loves dearly. If I belittle his dad, I am belittling him.
Please stop insulting us...go talk to the men you know who make all these excuses for not raising their children. I am so tired of, "It's all her fault. I don't like that B. She is keeping me from my son. I am not going to pay child support and take care of that B." Yada...yada...yada...quit whining.
Oh and about Vick...Why aren't you blaming Vick's momma? That would fit your argument. I can see someone blaming her...saying she raised him wrong and made him, his cousin's 'nem hang and electrocute dogs. Can people ever be responsible for themselves?
Well said Sunshinysmile.
See, it aint just me.
let it shine.
hey, how DID Vick's mama get a pass? cause she managed to raise a hip hopping football player?
Sunshinysmile...
"To that I say:..."
I wish you had posted that as a post over on the Assault. But let me clarify this once more.
First off. I had no idea Fuller ever said such nonsense. For id child, belongs solely to the mother, that directly implies that any service to the child the father provides is a of being a volunteer rather than a duty.
In any case. i have not said that mother do not make a valiant effort to raise their children to be honest, decent, responsible, and upstanding people.
The fact is, however, that is is extremely difficult and for most women impossible to make a man out of a boy. A woman can impart her interpretation of what a man should be, but she has no idea what it feels like to be a male and to be a man. She just doesn't. She's a woman.
Same with men. I have a daughter, and I've been raising her by myself fr the last three years. I didn't get divorced from her mother on purpose for many years.
The fact is, that I can impart on my daughter my interpretation of what a woman should be like, but I do not know what it feels like to be a woman. I think I can figure out a woman's psychology, but I'm never sure, 'cause I am not a woman.
Now, I think I am a pretty upright, responsible man. And I think I can make great strides to raising my daughter to be a responsible person, but when it comes to, let's say dealing with a crush on a boy... I for one would be at loss to give a woman's perspective on that.
There are certain rites that girls go through while in the company of women on these girls' journey to womanhood. These days these rites are not necessarily a conscious effort as in the times of yore, but nonetheless these rites still exist.
This is why it is important for my daughter to be exposed on a regular to women. There are somethings that I am. by the very nature of what I am, just not qualified for.
Well, it works the same with women as far as boys are concerned.
It's not an insult, it just is.
Moreover, if it truly were so that most women actually can do that job, then it would be absolutely and WITHOUT A DOUBT the FAULT of all these single mothers who have raised their boys when these boys turn out to be unreliable shit heads.
Remember, each black male who acts irresponsibly has a mother.
Thus a black woman complains about a black male, she complains about another sister's son.
Fact is, however, on the whole it is not the black mother's fault when, despite her best efforts she does not succeed in raising a Man.
She's a woman. She doesn't know what it's like to be a man. So how could she? Ain't her fault.
Now that is the kind of response MF, that could get you a seat at the table.
less bitter, much more benefit of the doubt.
DV...
"Deconstruct the Hate Hip Hop campaigns and you will discover the same motive."
Of course the same motive is behind that. The thing you gotta undersand, however, DV is that this is a false flag operation.
Gangsta was pushed to this pretty much exclusive extent not only to wipe out whatever positive came out of PE et al, but it was a neat way to set up the image of the black man as a beast. Now you have a target for all the assimilationist civil rights Negroes who can pursue their assimilationist dreams by attacking the black male/beast image prepared for them.
It's an elaborate mind fuck. That's all.
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