Michael Fisher said...
"Well, that panel couldn’t get that mic around fast enough! Some of the responses were too asinine to even bother with a critique. But I will tackle the main points. The first to respond was the lone Black man on the panel. Responding to my second question, he spoke in a condescending, yet gentle tone (you know, "brother to brother") about us "being a soulful people" and that’s why everyone wants to get with our shit and how I should see it as a "compliment."Well, I am fine with you getting with it – on the radio or video or whatever – but does that mean you get to have it? Better yet, take it, and then use it against Black people to promote the image of us as intimidating and politically and culturally selfish?
This is exactly the narrative that was used to promote Eminem and is being used now for Jin: both of them are framed as real "artists" and "lyricists" who stand dignified in the face of Black "reverse racism" and hostility
(watch 8 Mile, read much of the press written about Jin’s appearances on 106th & Park)—as if Nas, Bahamadia, or Andre 3000 & Big Boi aren’t really artists but, as Black people are expected to do, just use "the race card" to get ahead."
Fuck a Jin, DV.
Denmark Vesey said...
You see Mike. That's what's wrong with the Post Civil Rights Negros and the Rap Haters. You are so hung up on race you miss other opportunities.Hip Hop is not something that can "be taken" or "had". It's not an object. It is not an item. Black people are not "victimized" when a Chinese rapper flows over a beat. Not hardly. You see an Asian rapper oppressing some black rapper who didn't get a deal.
I see an Asian rapper introducing Hip Hop to 1/3 of the world's population and creating new markets.
Hip Hop is the most cutting edge and dynamic art form on the planet, of course young people around the world are going to adopt it. That's called success Mike.
You are using 1970's software and pontificating about a 2010 phenomena. The days of the passive put-upon perpetual black victim are over. Narrow minded, old fashioned racial tribalism is a lame hustle. Aint no money in it.
"Da Whyte Man Dun Stowl Owa Culcha!"
Nobody wants to hear that shit. Those days are over Mike.
Here, let Jin speak for himself.
13 comments:
"After squirming in my third-row seat for the duration of the talk, I had my opportunity. Quickly raising my hand, I was passed the mic. My question/statement was: In all of the talk thus far, we have conveniently skirted around the issue of race. But let’s be real, when we’re talking about hip-hop and hip-hop culture, we mean Black people, which you de-emphasized and de-historicized in your intro talk, Mr Wang . . . Now, we know about the history of Black popular culture being appropriated and stolen by whites, as in the case of Blues, Jazz, and Rock & Roll.
And now there’s hip-hop, and since we live in this multi-racial state which still positions Blackness socio-economically and politically at the bottom, how does the presence of Asian Americans in hip-hop, this black cultural artform, look any different than that of white folks in Jazz, Blues, and Rock & Roll?"
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"Well, that panel couldn’t get that mic around fast enough! Some of the responses were too asinine to even bother with a critique. But I will tackle the main points. The first to respond was the lone Black man on the panel. Responding to my second question, he spoke in a condescending, yet gentle tone (you know, "brother to brother") about us "being a soulful people" and that’s why everyone wants to get with our shit and how I should see it as a "compliment."
Well, I am fine with you getting with it – on the radio or video or whatever – but does that mean you get to have it? Better yet, take it, and then use it against Black people to promote the image of us as intimidating and politically and culturally selfish?
This is exactly the narrative that was used to promote Eminem and is being used now for Jin: both of them are framed as real "artists" and "lyricists" who stand dignified in the face of Black "reverse racism" and hostility
(watch 8 Mile, read much of the press written about Jin’s appearances on 106th & Park)—as if Nas, Bahamadia, or Andre 3000 & Big Boi aren’t really artists but, as Black people are expected to do, just use "the race card" to get ahead."
Fuck a Jin, DV.
That was dope. Yet another example of how empowering hip hop is.
Here's a kid that comes from a culture that's been stereotyped as nerdy straight A types with small penises and he flipped the script - and presented the image of a man.
Only hip hop does that.
Yet there is still a difference between Hip Hop, Gansta Rap, Christian Rap, Social Political Rap, Pop Rap... I think some get the sub genres confused. With that being said... What original concepts in the history of mankind has not been borrowed?
BORROWED?
The concept of borrowed assumes that whatever was borrowed was returned. When did that happen anytime during our history?
Jin is nice, but he lost all three rounds. He didn't have the brotha's flow, execution, and originality. The brotha is a poet. Jin is a rapper.
Besides, being dropped offa Bad Boy is the best that could happen to the kid.
DV...
"You are using 1970's software and pontificating about a 2010 phenomena. "
Naw, DV. You are being the Bayard Rustin of these current times. Youu'se a throw back to Gus Hall and Angie Davis.
Givin' away our shit in the name of non-existing universal brotherhood.
Mike, Mike, Mike,
Come on man. Jin murdered the brotha. I was pulling for homeboy. But he got murdered.
I actually felt sorry for him.
How many times can you say "words connect"?
You've been hating on Hip Hop for so long, you are unable to even hear anything except for what you want to hear.
Jin din din din't win.
Now if he had spit some shit in Mandarin or Cantonese with some phat Chinese timbals in the background, he'd be original. All the boy did is imitate black kids like vaudevillians of yore did. That Al Jolson act ain't qualifying as Hip Hop.
If I may quote pete rock that is called verbal murder!
Jin is nice!!
Soteria likes it!
Hip hop is a unifying culture...and it unites people in ways that no other cultural phenomenon does...
"Hip hop is a unifying culture...and it unites people in ways that no other cultural phenomenon does..."
That is bullshit. Show me how...
Michael Fisher said...
"Hip hop is a unifying culture...and it unites people in ways that no other cultural phenomenon does..."
That is bullshit. Show me how...
This morning, as we blog, cats in Brooklyn, Compton, Soweto, Medellin and Havana are slipping on Tupac T Shirts as we speak, rewinding Nas CD's, lip syncing Fiddy's "Many Men", deciphering Jay-Z's "Don't Knock The Hustle" and day dreaming about Fiddy's $100M investment in Vitamin Water and Jay-Z's purchase of the New Jersey, soon-to-be Brooklyn Nets.
Hip Hop is brothas speaking to brothas. It's our own micromedia and the only media black people really have.
(Please Casper, for the love of God, don't point out that Jews are involved in the vertical distribution chain of rap music as proof positive black men have "nothing to do with Hip Hop content)
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