Thursday, May 17, 2007
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While I agree that marriage is important and beneficial as spelled out above (and I definitely would like to get married in the future), I do not agree that Oprah has to be "bullshittin" if she chooses to live a life that does not include marriage. By all means, statistics must be accurate and presented in the same fashion! However, the show presented a perspective that is alive and well in this world (that being, that singlehood does not relegate a woman to life with a cat). You cannot censor presentation of this perspective, the same way we cant censor other controversial offerings that are commonplace and mainstream today. So those that dont agree should really just chill out.
- May 18, 2007, 11:51:00 AM
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for me the issue is not how she represents singlehood but how she bends the statistics to either 1) make it look like women are preferring to be single over being married or that 2)the prospect of finding a good man is so bleak that "look it, all these wonderful educated women can't find the man of their girlhood dreams."
neither is perfectly true and more false in my experience than not.
the whole story is all i'm asking. - May 18, 2007, 2:42:00 PM
- Denmark Vesey said...
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Well said Jasai.
- May 18, 2007, 2:51:00 PM
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What part of the story has been left out exactly? There are, in fact, undeniable impediments to the formation and sustenance(sp) of the institution of marriage these days, wouldnt you agree? Surely you do, as we talk about it over and over both here and on TSO. So given that, what about Oprah has yall pissed of, other than the fact that she blows the back out the spinster with a cat notion?
Im just sayin, lets get to the real here. - May 18, 2007, 4:28:00 PM
- A Girl Again said...
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"undeniable impediments to the formation and sustenance(sp) of the institution of marriage these days"
-Robyn
Like? - May 18, 2007, 5:52:00 PM
- Carmin said...
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Okay, so the statistics were off. So what? The fact still remains that for whatever reasons eligible Black women outnumber eligible Black men. I don't know what the current statistics are but I challenge the original author of this blog subject to prove differently.
Marriage is honorable and I embrace marriage. However, marriage and/or parenthood is not for everyone; this includes males and females. Marriage should be a complement to someone's life-not the goal in someone's life.
I saw the Oprah show that day and I agree with Oprah that women do not need to be married, need to have a man complete them or need to have a man to boost their self-esteem or self-worth. It is not an indictment against marriage to state that a woman who chooses to remain single is a part of an "evolution." Women, and Black women in particular, need to "evolve" into reality. The reality Black women need to evolve into is that:
1. If you want to get married, your future mate may or may not be Black. You'd better begin to expand your horizons to men of other ethnicities or you may never marry. THERE IS A SHORTAGE OF BLACK MEN. Now, if someone can prove that there is the same number of Black men as women in America, I challenge you to prove it. If you prove me wrong, I guarantee that the numbers will vastly decrease because of the number of Black men in prison, addicted to substances and gay (openly or on the down low). Then you have those Black men who "appear" eligible but for a myriad of reasons, do not intend to marry anytime soon, if ever.
2. Whether you have a man in your life or not (Black or any other color), you are still worthy of the best life has to offer. God wants you to live abundantly and, if the desire of your heart is to truly be married, God will grant you the desire of your heart. However, you must trust God's timing, be open and be the person that you seek in a mate. In other words, if you want him to be physically fit, get your body together. If you want him financially solvent, get your financial house in order.
Oprah is not bullshittin anybody. The bullshit is in believing that every time someone invokes the state of Black male-female relationships into a conversation, Black folk get all up in arms (the majority being Black men). We need to face the truth in the Black community that if Black women of all ages are going to ever get married, they'd better extend their horizons and we'd all better start raising a higher quality of Black boys. Hello.
For the record, I am a Black woman. I love Black men but would not hesitate to date a man of another race or ethnicity. I've been there and done that and I am no longer under illusion that my "Prince Charming" has to be wrapped in Black skin. How could I not love Black men. My father was in Black skin but a Cuban-yea a Cuban. My brother is a hard-working, God fearing Black man. My son is a handsome,funny, highly intelligent aspiring actor who will make a great husband and father someday. My nephews are handsome, successful (one is a former member of the NFL). All of the aforementioned men are highly educated. Problem is, they, unfortunately, have become few and far between.
Carmin Wharton, Author
"Lessons Learned: While Looking for Love in All the Wrong Faces"
www.carminwharton.com - May 19, 2007, 12:23:00 PM
- A Girl Again said...
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nice plug carmen.
good luck with all that. - May 19, 2007, 1:20:00 PM
"My integrity is not for sale, and neither is yours. Do not be a slave to any form of selling out."
...except when it comes to denigrating black men, strong black women leaders, glorifying white folk, and telling lies on the true state of female/male ratios marriage ratios.
From a commenter on my blog:
"Here goes Oprah again, saying things on her show which are not actually truth. All she had to do was go to "google dot com" and type in "70 percent of black women are single" from the first and only link there she will find out that the statical information she was reporting had to be redacted
Its from a Washington Times report titled 'Oprah' and the single woman
April 15, 2007
I'll post it in full just in case you have to subscribe:
We all realize Oprah Winfrey's incredible influence and that she cares deeply about girls and women, and about all living things. The last thing she would want to do is present damaging information. Her huge staff must have every informational resource available. That's why the April 6 show totally baffled me.
Oprah sat on stage alone and discussed "news" items with the audience. The item that generated the most discussion was the statistic from the Jan. 7 New York Times article: "51 percent of women single." Oprah explained that in America single women now outnumber married women for the first time ever. No explanation was given about how this number was calculated or that it has since been corrected, even by the New York Times: The author came up with the 51 percent, which was defined as women "living alone" and included women whose husbands were working out of state or out of the country; deployed to Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea or elsewhere; or in prison. The 51 percent also included 10 million girls ages "15, 16 and 17" and women who outlived their husbands and are now "living alone" but after long marriages. It was presented on "Oprah" as though 51 percent of women aren't marrying.
An audience member expressed concern saying she thought marriage was important for the community and for children and celebrity marriages and the devaluation of marriage might cause this trend of unmarried persons to grow. Oprah wasn't concerned and said she saw the trend as "evolution."
Oprah next introduced a 39-year old women who explained how happy she was single -- enjoying life, dating and sex. The women then absolutely glowed as she talked about how wonderful her life was. This was greeted with applause. No mention of the fact that more than 90 percent of our daughters still say it is their goal to marry and have children. No one asked this woman how she felt about never having children.
Another "new" statistic was flashed on screen: "70 percent of black women are single." Much discussion ensued about Oprah's solution: Because of the huge disparity between the numbers of black women and available black men, black women should not wait around to marry a black man. That was the root of the problem. She said she has long preached they have to "get real" and be willing to marry non-black men.
An agitated black women explained she was very happily married to a black man, and exhorted black mothers to raise marriageable black sons, and then introduced her 33-year-old brother, whom she said was very marriageable. Another woman expressed her concern that the discussion was disparaging marriage and said how wonderful her marriage was and how important it was to her happiness.
Oprah allowed that, yes, there are some good black men and marriages but asked the woman: Aren't you and aren't all of us glad that we now have a choice? That back in the day, women had to be married to have lives. They went to college to find a husband. Now we don't have to marry or have arranged marriages to have wonderful lives. And, then she repeated what she says so often, that she has a perfectly wonderful black man but it is her choice not to marry. On an earlier show, she had declared she would never marry because, a woman is in great danger of losing herself and her individuality in a marriage.
No one on the show mentioned the coincidence that 70 percent of black children are born out of wedlock -- most, of course, fathered by black men. Only one concerned audience member mentioned marriage was good for raising children. Oprah countered "we all know it takes a village, a community, to raise children" -- affirmed with much applause. No discussion or question about how many of the 70 percent of liberated, unmarried black women were struggling single mothers or the correlation with out-of-wedlock births. This is evolution? This is what choice is about?
Why would Oprah's staff leave her out there dangling in the wind, presenting such misleading information? Why wouldn't her staff give Oprah an updated explanation of the 51 percent statistic and, instead, just let her go on the air and look ignorant? Or, with her strong concern about helping girls, why wouldn't they give Oprah the overwhelming research on the benefits of stable marriages on the future health, happiness and well-being of our girls and their children?
Why don't they book Diann Dawson, director of the African American Healthy Marriage Initiative and sponsor of plays, hip- hop songs, and convener of research panels on strengthening Black Marriage? Why don't they do a show on Nisa Muhammad's crusading effort to found Black Marriage Day -- established in 2002 and now celebrated annually in cities all across the country? Nisa, as a working, single mother of five kids, decided we can reverse the epidemic of out-of-wedlock births and struggling single mothers. She certainly deserves one of Oprah's Angel Network contributions. Or Rozario Slack and Nisa, creators of the Basic Training program for Black Singles and Couples. Give them a chance to teach the basics on the show. Give Rozario a platform to talk about the "marriageability" of black men and give his "Message to Our Sons."
Or feature Kay Hymowitz and her book "Marriage and Caste in America," with its clear and logical explanation of what the growing "marriage gap" does to our children -- that the great divide in health, wealth and well-being boils down to who marries and who doesn't. Oprah should teach her audience the facts: Finish high school, marry before having a child, do not have a child until you are 20, and your chances of being poor are only 8 percent. That should be her mantra. It's the real "secret."
When she does shows about the sexual abuse of children, her staff should help her present the research on how much likelier children will be abused if they do not live with their biological father. The stats show we would get much further in reducing sexual abuse by keeping daddies in the home than by putting predators in jail.
DIANE SOLLEE
Founder/Director of smartmarriages.com