Denmark Vesey: The Rap Hater

Friday, May 18, 2007

The Rap Hater

Jealous. Intimidated. Self-Righteous. Self-Hating.
Hypocrite. Short Sighted. Defeated.

POST OF THE WEEK
Intellectual Insurgent

"Secondly if Snoop stopped rapping today what would black folks loose?" - Casper / Anon

Intellectual Insurgent said...
A Black man with money. A Black man who tells Bill O'Reilly to "suck my dick". Someone who tells the racist pundits to come to his hood to debate him. Who actually shows what it is to not be a whiney bitch.

Education is great, but not when it makes you the minstrel in the law firm being treated like shit by your superiors, referred to as the affirmative action quota behind your back and ignored and/or undermined along the way. Or, you could be like the chumps at Morehouse who rescinded an invitation to Farrakhan because the Jewish benefactors don't like him. How is that any different?

Snoop's money is not flowing to my community. Fiddy's money is not flowing to my community.

Is Obama's? Is Sharpton's? Is Dick Parsons'?

55 comments:

Michael Fisher said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; May 18, 2007, 1:39:00 AM
Michael Fisher said...: Now DV, Bro.

Who the F is a "rap hater" here? That's like saying 'cause your an anti-Zionist you're an anti-Semite.

Shoot, I'm not even against Gangsta, It has its place. As did Just Ice and Too Short back in the day.

After all it was me and my partners who put Doug and Mel on the map as far as Gangsta was concerned when they came over from Warners to take over Universal for Eddie Jr..

I'm against IMBALANCE. The complete wipe out of righteous Hip Hop in favor of Gangsta.

Maybe y'all should check out my Mother's Day message...

http://assaultonblacksanity.blogspot.com/2007/05/happy-mothers-day-mofo; May 18, 2007, 1:41:00 AM
Michael Fisher said...: http://assaultonblacksanity.blogspot.com/2007/05/
happy-mothers-day-mofo.html

Better?; May 18, 2007, 1:43:00 AM
Anonymous said...: DV... House Negros protect their white man's(Jew) investments son. Keep up the good work. We are interested in knowing how much they paying you. Guess that dunk got blocked by the retarded kid. So what does that make you son.

http://www.blackstarnews.com/?c=135&a=3241

Read on ..

Fear Of Intelligent Blacks

By Wise Intelligent

April 23rd, 2007

WORDS OF WISE-DOM

Recently, rapper Young Buck made an appearance on New York's Hot 97's Angie Martinez's show to promote his new album "Buck the World", the first single of which is incredible—I love that record.

You know, it was pretty much your typical rap interview except for one revealing exchange in particular. This was when Young Buck spoke of a record addressing Police Brutality that unfortunately did not make it. He revealed in the interview that Interscope Records—home of Dr. Dre's Aftermath, Shady Records; Emenim, G Unit; 50 Cent, Lloyd Banks, Young Buck; The Lox; Jada Kiss, Styles and Sheik, amongst others--has an official "Lyrics Committee."

Buck stated that it was this Interscope "Lyrics committee" (more like committee of one person; Jimmy Iovine) that decided it best to leave the police brutality track off of the album. Their reasoning being that Interscope/Jimmy Iovine felt the record that portrayed violence against police officers could heighten the chances of a police officer getting shot or killed and that Interscope did not want to be responsible in whole or in part for the death of a police officer. The interview went sort of like this:; May 18, 2007, 10:23:00 AM
Anonymous said...: So are Casper and Anon the same person?

And as to the whole damn topic....frankly....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz! The debate is gettin played.; May 18, 2007, 11:55:00 AM
Anonymous said...: Robyn,
Interesting comment. Because I am not the one in control of this blog. I am not the one who continues to promote the gansta rap is great agenda. It's your boy DV.(are Robyn & DV the same person?) So if you have an issue with his continued fetish with the topic then you should address him/yourself directly. Right? Look how many of his/your post in the past two months are hiphop/rap related.

Now I bet you DV/Robyn won't site you for how he says "Dragging down the intellectual discourse" on this topic for you calling the post boring.; May 18, 2007, 12:30:00 PM
Anonymous said...: Some Good Reading for you DV...

Bakari Kitwana, a former editor at The Source, identifies blacks born between 1965 and 1984 as belonging to the "hip-hop generation" a term he uses interchangeably with black youth culture ("Generation X" applies mainly to whites, he says). He calls hip-hop "arguably the single most significant achievement of our generation," yet blames it for causing much damage to black youth by perpetuating negative stereotypes and providing poor role models. But this book is about much more than just rap music; it takes a broad look at the state of post-civil-rights black America and the crises that have come about in the past three decades, including high rates of homicide, suicide, and imprisonment and a rise in single-parent homes, police brutality, unemployment, and blacks' use of popular culture (through pop music and movies) to celebrate "anti-intellectualism, ignorance, irresponsible parenthood, and criminal lifestyles." Serious problems indeed, but Kitwana acknowledges that members of this generation have more opportunities than their parents had, and he believes there is still time to make positive and lasting changes.; May 18, 2007, 12:36:00 PM
Anonymous said...: Insurgent what exactly is your argument? From your statement, "chumps at Morehouse," you obviously realize that even though Morehouse (class of '98) is a "Black" school, the propaganda is approved and disapproved by the white people that finance the school much like the rap industry which has clearly been demonstrated with the latest Young Buck news of censorship of anti white establishment lyrics (fuck the police). I think you guys are taking the whole war against rap thing too personal. I think it's more of a call for leadership in the black community. You're right..snoops money and sharptons money is doing nothing for the hood. What if we had a Hip Hop version of Bono? Now that would be dangerous....white people would really fear that. That might actually give young Black youths something positive to look up to which in turn might lift up the entire Black race. They will never let that happen. Pac was assassinated..not simply murdered. They feared him. People don't really understand the plight of the Black man. Wake up guys!!! We are about to be extinct. We need to do everything we can to keep young black youths out of jail, educated and ALIVE.; May 18, 2007, 12:47:00 PM
Intellectual Insurgent said...: Casper,

Just curious. Do you think that if 50 and Snoop changed their tune, it would fix the problems described by Kitwana?; May 18, 2007, 12:48:00 PM
Intellectual Insurgent said...: Paul,

My point is that Casper and Fisher seem to suggest that rap is illegitimate because Jews control it, but then why does Morehouse get a giant PASS for being under similar domination.

The argument seems to go, 50 and Snoop are bullshit because they are dominated by Jews. Therefore, Black people should hate the rap game and should focus on education, with no acknowledgment that academia is equally as dominated. The domination is there, but yet you hate on only one group for it.

Blacks do have leadership. Farrakhan has been around for decades. Unfortunately, Iovine and Co. have convinced Black folks that he is evil, marginalized him and supported "prosperity preachers" (with book deals and tv shows) who steal money from their congregations to fund their Benz and don't give a damn about Black folk. And Blacks are busy listening to their prosperity preachers, chasing dollars, ignoring and marginalizing Farrakhan.

I am curious what your thoughts are on the question I posed to Casper above.; May 18, 2007, 1:00:00 PM
Anonymous said...: II
When we consider the fact that it was Jimmy Iovine who posed on a cover in the 70's with the words "Rock & Roll Niggers" painted on his chest, we get a greater understanding of this beast.

Listen to brother Paul... He is on point. No one is calling you stupid like DV like to calls other's who don't agree with him. Just reconsider and keep digging deeper to what's happening. Follow real the money. It will lead you to the devil'd door.; May 18, 2007, 1:03:00 PM
Intellectual Insurgent said...: I'm listening. Even to your crybaby friend Fisher. :-) Even though we don't all agree about things, there is a lot of obvious passion and caring for finding solutions and that's what matters.

So, that said, what are the solutions? If the real money leads to Iovine, then it seems like picking on Snoop and 50 is like arresting the 2-bit dealer on the corner while leaving the real drug runner chillin' in his mansion. It doesn't really fix anything.; May 18, 2007, 1:17:00 PM
Anonymous said...: Casper, relax.

You note the number of hip hop posts of late and my numerous comments thereto. My point exactly. Next topic!

Also, I was just asking the question about you and Anon. I wasnt trying to slight you. The main post by DV seemed to refer to you and Anon as if you were the same individual. Being that we have always told Anon to "pick a nickname," I thought may be did so. You and Anon's perspectives (i.e., zealous attempts to shut DV down are similar) - so I thought it was a possibility. Again, relax.

And if you think DV and me and the same person, i'm goodwitit. I take that as a compliment. He always brings his game and I'm the shit so... whatever! LOL. :-); May 18, 2007, 1:19:00 PM
Anonymous said...: II

It's hard to debate with you when we don't stay on topic. Morehouse's choice is a one time event. Please Apples and Oranges. I like hiphop music. I have it on my MP3 player and computer. Gansta rap included. So I am not a "rap hater"...contrary to DV's post. See he uses Republican tactics. "If your not for the war than you are against the troops" talking points. I my lady see the effect first hand in my community. Not the middle and upper class black cul de sacs like DV's apparent sub division. But the hood where if you went with me you you may or may not make it out at night. This is where some of my family lives in Detroit... And when I look around I don't see Malcom X... I see little Snoop's and Fiddy wannabee's. Who can but choose not to finish a complete sentence without the word nigga. Who stand on the street corner's calling women they don't know bitches and hoes because they young lady will not give him the time of day. I don't need research to tell me why mulitple young men all dress like gansta rappers. Why did teenagers pick up cigarette smoking ... because of target effective marketing by the mulit-billion dollar tobacco companies. It's pretty simple. So what your fighting brother Paul about is the ability for Jimmy Iovine and the clan to continue exploiting my race/culture for profit.; May 18, 2007, 1:28:00 PM
Denmark Vesey said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; May 18, 2007, 1:33:00 PM
Anonymous said...: insurgent said, "Do you think that if 50 and Snoop changed their tune, it would fix the problems described by Kitwana?"

Would it fix it?...no

Would it help?...HELL YES.

If 50 and Snoop changed their tune to revolutionary change like Pac, it would have a huge impact.

They are not saying rap is illegitimate. They are simply pointing out that rappers are pawns in the game. I think the way Oprah and MSM attacks rap has us all bamboozled and distracted to the real issues affecting Blacks. We need change, not just to make rap "bubble gum" and non-offensive. We need change to help save young black males from extinction!

Farrakhan is not an effective leader. Who is he leading? Snoop and 50 are leaders whether they like it or not. Their influence is huge. If they realized their power (like Pac did)....hell yea it would make a difference.; May 18, 2007, 1:35:00 PM
Denmark Vesey said...: Intellectual Insurgent,

I cannot begin to tell you how impressed I am with your ability to see the larger picture:

"The argument seems to go, 50 and Snoop are bullshit because they are dominated by Jews. Therefore, Black people should hate the rap game and should focus on education, with no acknowledgment that academia is equally as dominated. The domination is there, but yet you hate on only one group for it."

What the Caspers / Anon's / M. Fishers can't / won't incorporate into the discourse is the inherent hypocrisy of demanding from Rap artists what they won't demand from the bastions of Negro Establishment. (Black colleges, Black politicians, Corporate Black Tokens etc.)

I see the rap artists / hustlers as fighting fire with fire.

The Rap Haters are trying to fight Fire with Gasoline.; May 18, 2007, 1:36:00 PM
Intellectual Insurgent said...: You still haven't answered my question. What is the solution?

And if you think the Morehouse incident was a one-time affair, you are naive my friend. If people are deciding which speakers get to speak to Black people, rest assured they are choosing the professors, the books, etc.

But somehow that's the better option. You have so much disdain for and assign so much blame to rap, but when a Black man gets an economics degree and uses it to con unsuspecting poor Black folks into bad loans, or bad real estate deals (both of which I have seen happen), he is no better than 50 on your moral scale. When he takes his marketing degree and works for Phillip Morris, how is he different than 50 or Snoop? Why do you not show the same disdain for the prosperity preacher who fleeces the flock of their money while he lives in Bel Air, encouraging Black folk to shop till they drop?

Oh, and at the risk of being accused of going off topic, all of these issues are ON topic. 100%.

You flog the vulgar, violent rap artists, but they haven't been around that long. The seeds of destruction were planted long before they showed up by phony preachers and faux academics who rob their people.; May 18, 2007, 1:43:00 PM
Denmark Vesey said...: "Farrakhan is not an effective leader. Who is he leading? Snoop and 50 are leaders whether they like it or not. Their influence is huge. If they realized their power (like Pac did)....hell yea it would make a difference." Paul

See ...

That is why I am so caustic with the anti-Rap brigade.

Whether naivete or arrogant ignorance, statements like this piss me off.

Farrakhan has been doing for YEARS what they are essentially begging white corporations (Massa) to do for them now.

Farrakhan and the Nation has BUILT MEN for decades.

This sucka ass pleading to white corporations / government / Massa to "stop showing us this..." "Stop showing us that...", "save our children" is the attitude and inclination of SLAVES.; May 18, 2007, 1:43:00 PM
Intellectual Insurgent said...: That last comment was directed to Casper. :-)

Thanks DV.; May 18, 2007, 1:44:00 PM
Anonymous said...: II
First we must collectively agree... That these gansta lyrics are a (out of many others) problem for our AA community. But with pro gansta Kooning cats like DV... They make it difficult to start the plan of counter-attack. He is like a lobbyist arguing that climate change is not reality on behalf of the Oil industry.; May 18, 2007, 1:45:00 PM
Anonymous said...: DV...I think it's amazing that you compare the "anti-snoop" campaign with your displeasure of house negro propaganda pushers. In no way can you justly compare rap's freedom of speech to promote black on black destruction and drug dealing to Morehouse's financiers censoring Farrakhan speeches. Trying to compare the negative affects of rap on black youth to the negative affects of Black colleges on black youth is a joke. It's not even close.; May 18, 2007, 1:49:00 PM
Intellectual Insurgent said...: If 50 and Snoop changed their tune to revolutionary change like Pac, it would have a huge impact.

Paul, there are plenty of rappers out there who challenge the prevailing wisdom. Dead Presidents, Talib Kweli, The Roots, etc.

I think you are reasoning backwards. Snoop and 50 became leaders because their message was appealing. And it's appealing because that is the state of affairs in America. There are plenty of revolutionary alternatives to Snoop and 50 but, unfortunately, young Black children aren't listening to them the way they are listening to 50 and Snoop. Why is that?; May 18, 2007, 1:50:00 PM
Anonymous said...: My point of saying Farrakhan is not affective leader is that Farrakhan is not reaching the masses of Black youths. I didn't say that based on his message and what he's done.; May 18, 2007, 1:51:00 PM
Intellectual Insurgent said...: Honestly, Casper, these gangsta lyrics are no less destructive than the faux religion, Satan worshipping, offered up to the masses every Sunday by the prosperity preachers.; May 18, 2007, 1:53:00 PM
Anonymous said...: insurgent...I say 50 and snoop because they have wide mass appeal unlike Dead Presidents, Talib Kweli. They are not even close to being as powerful as 50 and snoop; May 18, 2007, 1:53:00 PM
Anonymous said...: II
And if you think the Morehouse incident was a one-time affair, you are naive my friend. If people are deciding which speakers get to speak to Black people, rest assured they are choosing the professors, the books, etc.

Who cares who speaks at the Morehouse for 1 hour. And for the record the Minister also calls for the gansta rap industry to change. So what's your non AA argument going to be know. Oh the minister has no cred with you. Bullshitter. I know what Egyptians feel about black american's but I didn't want to go there. Figured I give you a chance. But your true colors are showingh as Fisher pointed out once before. You could car less about the AA community.; May 18, 2007, 1:54:00 PM
Intellectual Insurgent said...: Paul,

If Farrakhan and Talib Kweli don't reach the masses the way 50 and Snoop do, why do you think that 50 and Snoop would continue to be relevant if they did change their message?; May 18, 2007, 1:58:00 PM
Anonymous said...: They would continue to be relevant because their message would be different...they have the fuck whitey attitude that DV loves unlike Common who talks about peace and love. Fuck peace and love....we want change. We want revolution and we want our Black youths not to become extinct. Wake up and realize it....look at the statistics. They are alarming.; May 18, 2007, 2:02:00 PM
Anonymous said...: LL Cool J, Ja Rule Hear Farrakhan Challenge Rap Community

The spotlight was on Farrakhan, whose nearly three-hour speech urged rappers to accept their responsibilities as role models and to avoid internecine violence and feuds.

"With leadership comes responsibility. You've now got to accept the responsibility you've never accepted," Farrakhan said, standing behind a lectern on a stage where Latifah, Chuck D and Simmons sat. "This may be the most important speech I've ever given. You are the leaders of the youth of the world." LL Cool J said after the speech that he embraced Farrakhan's message. "It doesn't matter how good you're supposed to be at what you do. If you can't inspire people to be positive and be leaders and dream, you're not utilizing the power that you have for the best." Farrakhan urged artists to address current events in their lyrics and "speak to the issues that enlighten your people." He mocked artists who he said thank God when they win awards but embrace Satan when it comes time to write lyrics.

Even during the harshest criticism, the audience of artists and executives repeatedly interrupted Farrakhan's speech with forceful applause. Several artists also met privately with Farrakhan after the speech, according to event publicists

Maybe that's why the white man didn't want the Minister on Morehouse's campus; May 18, 2007, 2:03:00 PM
Intellectual Insurgent said...: Casper,

What is your problem? We were having a civil dialogue and then you make it racial? The same way you accuse DV of insulting you, you now resort to the same tactics.

You engage in this dialogue, then when you don't like something I say, you wield the race card as if you've been holding it in your pocket until the right moment.

That's a chickenshit attempt to put an opponent on the defensive and I'm not taking your bait (Rookie rule of debate). I'll be around when you grow up and are capable of having an adult exchange.; May 18, 2007, 2:05:00 PM
Anonymous said...: II
I think you are reasoning backwards. Snoop and 50 became leaders because their message was appealing. And it's appealing because that is the state of affairs in America. There are plenty of revolutionary alternatives to Snoop and 50 but, unfortunately, young Black children aren't listening to them the way they are listening to 50 and Snoop. Why is that?

Because the people who control the got dam business (JEWS) promote and control who and what they want you to hear. Are you slow??????; May 18, 2007, 2:05:00 PM
Anonymous said...: II
Honestly, Casper, these gangsta lyrics are no less destructive than the faux religion, Satan worshipping, offered up to the masses every Sunday by the prosperity preachers.

That's your personal belief. Your hubby is a engineer who uses math to validate his calculations right? Well show me the math II. You just talk with no facts.; May 18, 2007, 2:08:00 PM
Anonymous said...: II

Cause I figured if you are cool with DV doing it and you did not say anthing to him...Why is that??

When it touches your nerve you get sensitive... Why is that?; May 18, 2007, 2:11:00 PM
Anonymous said...: I don't think the casper statement was racist...racial...yes. I don't really want to speak for him but IMO I think he may be suspicious of your authenticity in your concern of black issues.

He made it racial?? Everything about this dialog is racial.; May 18, 2007, 2:17:00 PM
Anonymous said...: II

You like to justify rappers bullshit by using some other topic's bullshit. That's what people do when they can nolonger intelligently argue/defend a specific topic. They go off topic.
Why is that? Every claim you make in defense of the bullshit gansta rap game. We come with facts. We don't makeup shit like you. You are the type that even when you are wrong your arrogance and pride will not allow you to admit it. Thus we are waisting our time debating you my friend.; May 18, 2007, 2:18:00 PM
Intellectual Insurgent said...: DV has never told somone that their statements are invalid because of their race (or gender for that matter). But weren't you saying something yesterday about not using other people's bullshit to justify your own?; May 18, 2007, 2:19:00 PM
Michael Fisher said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; May 18, 2007, 2:25:00 PM
Anonymous said...: II

DV has called my and other's statement stupid on numerous times. Secondly, this is about race... That is the basis of this topic. All of the most important partie to this debate are either AA or White Jew. Thus people outside of this demographic may not have the entire experience at their disposal to call upon. That's my point. Like when you told Fisher that he shouldn't get upset if someone calls him a nigger. You don't undertsand how much that is not cool to say to the average black american.; May 18, 2007, 2:26:00 PM
Michael Fisher said...: Let me explain something to all ya'll mofos. As far as I can see the ONLY one in here who has been DEEP in the Hip Hop industry for two decades is yours truly.

Given that MY partners and I were the folks who got Doug Morris started in Gangsta at Universal, given that I'M the one who got Ice-T and Body Count all the exposure and cheese they needed in Europe when they got kicked offa Sire, given that I'M the one gave Puffy, Busta and who know who their first and only arena headline tours all ova Europe and promoted each of these guys' images for a year each before they could come ova and make that cheese, given that I'M the one who has worked closely with all these Hip Hop industry mofos for TWENTY plus years, given THAT,
Y'all mofos...

BY DEFINITION DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

So shut the fuck up and listen.

Now Casper got it straight, Paul, partially, and DV is just off the deep end, though I guess he means well.

As far as the liberal white Arab girl is concerned. Go home.

The only reason you push Farrakhan out front is because he's on this pro-Arab trip at this point.

Now I know the Minister a lil' bit, but it is Bro. Akbar Muhammad and I who have been good friends for twenty years (Dang? Already? I'm getting old).

That doesn't mean that we can't criticize the Minister: As long as the Pan-Arab leadership doesn't change its racist policies, he and Akbar are just plain wrong on this Arabophilia thing here.

The Min. is also wrong for having given Russell, Cube, and Puff and all these other opportunist assholes de facto cover all these years.

So trying to push the Min. up in front of you to cover up for your bullshit ain't gonna fly.

Triflin' ass.; May 18, 2007, 2:27:00 PM
Anonymous said...: dv

What the Caspers / Anon's / M. Fishers can't / won't incorporate into the discourse is the inherent hypocrisy of demanding from Rap artists what they won't demand from the bastions of Negro Establishment. (Black colleges, Black politicians, Corporate Black Tokens etc.)

I see the rap artists / hustlers as fighting fire with fire

1) Black college are not promoting gang banging and drug slinging.
2) Rap artist don't control their own messages

You too like to dance around the issues. Why don't you explain why Iovine control's your boy Fiddy's & Snoop's lyrical content??; May 18, 2007, 2:38:00 PM
Denmark Vesey said...: "times. Secondly, this is about race... That is the basis of this topic. All of the most important partie to this debate are either AA or White Jew. Thus people outside of this demographic may not have the entire experience at their disposal to call upon. That's my point." Casper

That's some stupid Plantation Negro shit.

Whether you are black or white or polka dot, it is some intellectually cowardly shit to attempt to hide behind race in a discourse like this.

If you can't go blow for blow, toe to toe with Insurgent, bow out.

Playing the race card now is some Affirmative Action bullshit.

You should be ashamed of yourself.; May 18, 2007, 2:43:00 PM
Denmark Vesey said...: 1) "Black college are not promoting gang banging and drug slinging."

Apparently at Morehouse they are promoting a curriculum and political agenda approved by Jews.

2) "Rap artist don't control their own messages"

Does Obama control his own speeches? Why is he promising to attack Iran? Rap artists are in partnership with distributors. In-house censorship takes place in every genre of music, television, book publishing and film

Why are you pretending Rap artists are under greater censorship than anyone else.

Again, I find this type of duplicity, jive insincere and weak.

That's why I call your statements stupid. It is what it is.; May 18, 2007, 2:47:00 PM
Anonymous said...: DV said "Apparently at Morehouse they are promoting a curriculum and political agenda approved by Jews."

Don't get it twisted...yes Whites may play a hand in if Farrakhan can come and give a 1 hour speech but they have no control over the real lessons that are being taught at Morehouse, which is how to be a leader and that you can accomplish anything you put your mind to. I don't think there is better place for a young Black male to be college educated than Morehouse.; May 18, 2007, 3:02:00 PM
Denmark Vesey said...: paul said...

DV said "Apparently at Morehouse they are promoting a curriculum and political agenda approved by Jews."

Don't get it twisted...yes Whites may play a hand in if Farrakhan can come and give a 1 hour speech but they have no control over the real lessons that are being taught at Morehouse,

Paul ...

Slow down. Pump your brakes. Read what you just wrote.

There is NOT A BOOK or a TENURED PROFESSOR in America speaking freely on the war in the middle east, the Palestinian experience or Israel. Academia was high-jacked long ago.

Google Professor Kevin MacDonald and see what they are doing to him.

What you consider "education" is really indoctrination.

Name a leader out of Morehouse since Martin Luther King.

I think the reason these Rappers / former drug dealers have a greater understanding of media than do so-called educated Negros is that they have received less brainwashing.

-; May 18, 2007, 3:13:00 PM
Intellectual Insurgent said...: I don't think the casper statement was racist...racial...yes. I don't really want to speak for him but IMO I think he may be suspicious of your authenticity in your concern of black issues.

Listen, it is racist to suggest that my opinions are invalid because of my race. If a White person did it to you, you'd be howling for days.

I'm not going to "prove" how much I care about Black issues. Frankly, that is absolutely ridiculous. What I will say is that I care about fixing the system overall. It's not about solving one race's problems, it's about solving problems for all of us because, for better or for worse, we all have to share this f'ing planet.

I've traveled to enough places in the world to see that the issues we are discussing here aren't unique to Black Americans or anyone else. It is a global epidemic that needs to be fixed.

And, with that said, the Black community has always taken the lead in fixing America and fixing its wrongs and, for that reason, I give a shit what happens in the Black community. Because that is where all improvements in America have always originated. It is the community in which I have found some of the most profound and powerful intellects this country has ever produced and the hell if I am going to let someone bully me away by playing some punk ass race card. Fuck that.; May 18, 2007, 3:15:00 PM
Anonymous said...: dv
Apparently at Morehouse they are promoting a curriculum and political agenda approved by Jews.

OH! you mean how 50 & Snoop are controlled by Jews??

You have many double standards don't you dv.; May 18, 2007, 3:28:00 PM
Anonymous said...: DV said, "Name a leader out of Morehouse since Martin Luther King."

How about Maynard Jackson, former mayor of Atlanta, who increased minority participation in getting contracts from damn near nothing to 34%. He helped rebuild and modernize the world's busiest airport, Hartsfield.

I can go on and on naming Morehouse grads that are leaders in their community.; May 18, 2007, 3:29:00 PM
Anonymous said...: dv
Does Obama control his own speeches? Why is he promising to attack Iran? Rap artists are in partnership with distributors. In-house censorship takes place in every genre of music, television, book publishing and film

What does Obama have to do with Interscope and 50 and gang banging. Stay on topic. Rappers are owned by Interscope/Universal GTFOOH partnership my ass.; May 18, 2007, 3:30:00 PM
Anonymous said...: dv
DV said, "Name a leader out of Morehouse since Martin Luther King."

Paul these are Republican tactics to divert from the issues of gansta lyrics. Stay on topic dv. Stay on so you can take your medicine kid; May 18, 2007, 3:32:00 PM
Anonymous said...: dv
That's some stupid Plantation Negro shit.

You think being a House Negro is a step up huh dv... Go for yours kid; May 18, 2007, 3:34:00 PM
Anonymous said...: dv
Whether you are black or white or polka dot, it is some intellectually cowardly shit to attempt to hide behind race in a discourse like this.

If you can't go blow for blow, toe to toe with Insurgent, bow out.

Playing the race card now is some Affirmative Action bullshit.

WTFAYTA... II was hiding behind her race... So you must be talking to Insurgent. II ain't said shit. She repeats the same lame arguments as you. Neither on of you has answered with any once of facts. Your in bed with the Jew Jimmy Iovine just admit it?; May 18, 2007, 3:38:00 PM
Anonymous said...: dv
I think the reason these Rappers / former drug dealers have a greater understanding of media than do so-called educated Negros is that they have received less brainwashing.

Rapper's understand money... So they can have hoes, chains, cars, bricks, bongs, entourage, gats, rims, malt liquor, and more chains. It's the Jimmy Iovine's of the world that understand media and marketing and controlling their niggas. And it obviously works because look at your stupid ass. Hook line a sinker. Sell out!; May 18, 2007, 3:44:00 PM
Anonymous said...: II
If you are so intuned to the black american community because that's the focus of this debate do you still think that a black americans should or shouldn't take offense or but upset if someone other than another black american called them a nigger??; May 18, 2007, 3:51:00 PM
Intellectual Insurgent said...: Stop it with the sarcasm. I don't claim to be in tune with the Black community anymore than any other community. I am in tune with people who are intellectual, can have an intelligent dialogue and can see past the fog. I've been fortunate to find a disproportionate number of such people in the Black community.

But to answer your question, lest I be accused of going off topic, no. When people resort to using racial slurs, it is a transparent, pathetic attempt to gain power over you by putting you on the defensive. Rule #1 of any fight, verbal or physical - you can never win when you are on the defensive.

And this isn't about me being insensitive to Black folks. I constantly listen to Arabs complain about all the racism, blah, blah, since 9/11 and I tell them to shut their bitch asses up. I also take it as an opportunity to tell them that if they don't like it, they shouldn't dish it out to Black folks. I call them on their hypocrisy, just like everyone else's.; May 18, 2007, 4:26:00 PM