Rap Haters ask us to believe the immense impact on the collective imaginations of young people all around the world by Hip Hop stars, is NOT a marketplace response to their artistic expression, cultural commentary, extraordinary musicianship, marketing genius, political sensitivity, raw soulfulness, heart or hustle.The Hip Hop Hater wants us to attribute the Beatle like dominance of pop culture not to the men who dominated it, but to it’s white corporate functionaries acting as manipulators of these “tokens” and “tools”.
The Rap Hater invents 911 like Rap Conspiracy Theories and white boogeymen who … “allow” … these young black men to fascinate the imaginations of millions. These same white boogeymen deny “conscious” rap (rap consistent with their worldview) from earning the place it deserves in the minds of young people.
Rap Haters harbor an almost religious like insistence that bad language, violent imagery and sexual lyrics of Hip Hop stars are particularly destructive because “young blacks can’t discern the difference between rap and reality”.
Their self-inflicted racism is apparent each time they allow their children to consume just as violent and more overtly sexual imagery from white media. “It’s OK for Bruce Willis to have a gun. But not Nas!” “Sharon Stone can flash her vagina, Madonna can tongue kiss Britney but Cocoa can’t drop it likes it hot.”
I find the rhetorical theater of Rap Haters, Plantation Negros and Corporate Slaves far less sophisticated than the current generation of Hip Hop superstars they so loath.
Hip Hop’s superstars shrewdly and artistically present a romanticized, rich and empowered interpretation of the black experience to a global audience while simultaneously spinning fantasy tales of bourgeois wealth to Americas huge consumer class.
That’s a great hustle. That’s media savvy. That’s marketing genius. That is an example of what works in America. That’s Donald Trump. That’s Dynasty. That’s Dallas. That’s Horatio Alger. That’s Joe Kennedy. That’s Micahael Corleone. Bill Gates is no more of a genius than is Jay-Z.
In contrast:
Plantation Negro and Corporate Slave iconography inanely presents a minimized interpretation of the black experience as wanting, as second class and as a victim. It’s stories of Affirmative Action, defeat and Civil Rights sentimentalism are widely ignored by young people today. It's icons are Harold Ford and Congo Lisa Rice. Not surprisingly, not much market share is left.
Hip Hop is to black people is what oil is to Arabs.
Hip Hop is to pop culture what HBO is to cable.
It's an extremely valuable media asset.
"We" don't control the distribution? Well maybe some "we" Corporate Negros need to step their games up, employ their Ivy League educations and build some black owned distribution channels instead of bitching at black Artists for playing the game available to them.
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"'We' don't control the distribution? Well maybe some "we" Corporate Negros need to step their games up, employ their Ivy League educations and build some black owned distribution channels instead of bitching at black Artists for playing the game available to them."
DV,
You're sentiment is right, but your main piece of the puzzle is wrong.
Fact is, (as I demonstrated in my previous comments) most current black artists will NOT play the (black) game made available to them.
I can not tell you how many times I put DOUBLE the money on the table for black artists, and Gangsta are no exception, and they wouldn't take it because they were afraid of offending their white agents and record companies.
(Cube being one case in point)
That's been going on to this very day.
The recording industry, however, is dying a miserable and deserved death.
And that opens up a whole new slate of avenues for black entrepreneurs.
And thus, being both Ivy-League educated and black, I'm doing exactly that new distribution thing.
With truly fearless artists and not the fake video Gangstas.
"I can not tell you how many times I put DOUBLE the money on the table for black artists, and Gangsta are no exception, and they wouldn't take it because they were afraid of offending their white agents and record companies."
Come now Mike. I know a bit about the concert promotion game myself. There's a million reasons why an artist won't #$*^ with a particular promoter at a particular time.
You offered more money? Yeah. Aight. But there's another side of that story.
You are filling the blank a little too quickly with "Cuz they was scared of some white man".
Cube damn sure wasn't scared of Jerry Heller. Why would he be scared of some punk ass booking agent?
Maybe Cube knows who is in control of 90+% of media DV... It's like going around in circles with you.
Gerald E. Heller was born in Wyckoff, New Jersey on October 6, 1940, to Jewish parents
Zionism and AIPAC a danger to the world
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TVJ0Rqdd8uQ
DV
Come now Mike. I know a bit about the concert promotion game myself. There's a million reasons why an artist won't #$*^ with a particular promoter at a particular time.
Define "a bit" for us?
During Dr.Dre’s defection from Ruthless Records (during which time Eazy-E was physically harmed by Suge Knight), there was a fear of further violence. Ruthless Records executives, Mike Klein and Jerry Heller sought assistance from the Jewish Defense League (JDL).[1] Mike Klein, former Ruthless Records director of business affairs said "The Defense League offered to provide bodyguards to Eazy-E when Knight allegedly threatened him in the early 1990s." This provided Ruthless Records with muscle to enter into negotiations with Deathrow Records over Dr.Dre’s departure. While Suge Knight violently sought an outright release from Ruthless Records for Dr.Dre, the JDL and Ruthless records management were able to sit down with Deathrow and negotiate a release in which the record label would continue to receive money and publishing rights from future Dr.Dre projects. It was under these terms Dr.Dre left Ruthless Records and formed Deathrow with Suge Knight.
The FBI launched a money laundering investigation, assuming that the JDL was extorting money from Ruthless Records to fight their extremist causes. This led to JDL spokesperson Irv Rubin to issue a press release stating "There was nothing but a close, tight relationship" between Eazy-E and the League.
Jerry Heller has explained JDL’s involvement with Ruthless Records for even more reasons than the FBI investigated. Heller has acknowledged that Eazy E received death threats, and it was discovered that he was on hit list by some neo-Nazi skinheads. The FBI never bothered to inform Eazy that his life was in danger. Heller has speculated that it may have been because of the Fuck Tha Police song. Heller said "It was no secret that in the aftermath of the Suge Knight shake down incident where Eazy was forced to sign over Dr Dre, Michele and DOC, that Ruthless was protected by Israeli trained/ connected security forces."[2] Jerry Heller maintains that Eazy E admired the group for their slogan Never Again, and that he had plans to do a movie about the group.
Get it now DV... Your playing jump rope now. You have falling into the trap. Fighting your own over rap lyrics. Calling us names over rap lyrics. You have no idea how deep this shit is. You can keep calling us names all you want to(the intellect). But like I said before. We are not the enemy. This is not about rap haters. More like a black race exploitation/genocide on a level you can't conceive.
Come now Mike. I know a bit about the concert promotion game myself. There's a million reasons why an artist won't #$*^ with a particular promoter at a particular time."
Well DV. I'm not trying to be arrogant about this, but unless you are either Al Haymon or me or to an extent Darryl Brooks or MAYBE even Quentin Perry or Lionel Bea, but especially either Al or me, you haven't got any idea what you are talking about as far as the concert promotion game and the politics on that level is concerned.
"Define "a bit" for us?"
Casper
I've booked talent, promoted concerts and produced a few tours.
Describe your experience.
We know Brother Mike as a veteran of concert promotion.
What have you done?
Casper said...
Maybe Cube knows who is in control of 90+% of media DV... It's like going around in circles with you.
Come on Mike. How am I going to respond to this guy without using the word "stupid"?
What the #uck does that broad categorical generalization have to do with what we are talking about?
Does he even thinks it means anything or is he so eager to insert himself in the conversation he will say anything?
LOL. Come on man. Think about what you are saying.
"Well DV. I'm not trying to be arrogant about this, but unless you are either Al Haymon or me or to an extent Darryl Brooks or MAYBE even Quentin Perry or Lionel Bea, but especially either Al or me, you haven't got any idea what you are talking about as far as the concert promotion game and the politics on that level is concerned."
Arrogant? Be my guest. Just back it up with solid reasoning.
You don't have to be Al Haymon, or Darryl Brooks, or Michael Fisher or Quentin Perry to know there are a million reasons why an artist won't fuck with a particular promoter at a particular time.
Concert offers are rejected, agreements broken and strong-arm tactics applied in that crazy business everyday.
You are attempting to use your personal experience with a failed ICE CUBE offer to suggest the failure of the development of a black controlled distribution system is the fault of the ARTIST and not the failure of Educated Corporate Negros.
Is anything the fault of Educated Corporate Negros or is everything Rap's fault?
Casper. You listening? You see the pattern of self-hate and hypocrisy from those who ask of rappers what they haven't even done themselves.
Oh God. Please don't cut and paste another clip PROVING Jews are involved in the music business.
Maybe Cube knows who is in control of 90+% of media DV... It's like going around in circles with you."
Well, DV. hate to disappoint you, but actually Casp has a valid point.
The main way the agents held sway over many of the black entertainers is to promise them movie roles if they acted right.
Acting right meant to take less money from white distibutors and avoid black ones in exchange for a vague PROMISE of movie stardom. Now that happend to work out ok for Cube, but not for the majoriy of the other black entertainers who turned our money down.
These Mofos call me on a daily these days bitching about heir former Massa's and try get back on board with me. Fuck 'em.
Ahhhh come on Mike.
Please.
I can fill the Staples Center with black directors and black producers and black screen writers who swear up and down, the reason there is not a single significant black film production or distribution company -ON THE PLANET- is because black corporate Negros are scared to make it happen.
I could fill the Delta Center with Corporate Negros who blame street Negros for fucking everything up somewhere else in the pipeline.
The fact is Blacks don't even control the distribution of Fried Chicken.
How in the hell are you going to fault Hip Hop artists for not completely controlling the distribution of Hip Hop music?
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DV
I've booked talent, promoted concerts and produced a few tours.
We are listening? What? When? and Where?
And don't be like Master "P" the same person who you disqualified just because he hadn't drop a cd in several years. What have you done lately?? Then I will tell you about moi.
"I can fill the Staples Center with black directors and black producers and black screen writers who swear up and down, the reason there is not a single significant black film production or distribution company -ON THE PLANET- is because black corporate Negros are scared to make it happen."
Well, actually an effort was underway, mainly led by, another Ivy League almnus and friend, George Jackson. Unfortunately George died too early and his former partner, who besides being a British and (I think Jewish) is the father of Karen Alexander's two kids, to my knowledge isn't exactly following up in accordance with what George was planning.
But then again, while the record companies are dying there's a new paradigm on the motion picture distribution end as well. So guess what?
And by former partner I do not mean Doug McHenry, a brother, who is somewhat of a force in his own right.
DV
How in the hell are you going to fault Hip Hop artists for not completely controlling the distribution of Hip Hop music?
I know that's not my argument for the last several weeks and I don't feel anyone has suggested that it is the rappers fault for not controlling a larger % of HipHop. My argument for the 110th time is the artist that you so promote who contribute for their own pockets and could care less about their community including you DV.
You know I think your just to the point where you've invested so much energy into your defense of new school gansta rap... Where your ego won't allow you to say. You know what Fisher... I see your point your right. You keep trying though. Look dad no hands!
"You are attempting to use your personal experience with a failed ICE CUBE offer to suggest the failure of the development of a black controlled distribution system is the fault of the ARTIST and not the failure of Educated Corporate Negros."
DV.
Because of ONE failed Ice Cube "offer" (it wasn't) more than a decade ago I would make such an argument?
DV. Making such a claim about me is just plain idiotic.
Plus it shows that you have not played the game on that level.
Hate to tell ya, Bro, I love ya, but you're disqualified
Plantation Negros generalize about as much as you do, which makes for more shouting matches and less in-depth conversation.
"Hip Hop’s superstars shrewdly and artistically present a romanticized, rich and empowered interpretation of the black experience to a global audience . . ."
GENERALIZATION. Not all of them. I'll back the ones that are saying somethin', but not all of them.
And my kid ain't watching no violence.
Big J
"Hip Hop’s superstars shrewdly and artistically present a romanticized, rich and empowered interpretation of the black experience to a global audience . . ."
GENERALIZATION. Not all of them. I'll back the ones that are saying somethin', but not all of them.
1) Name a Hip Hop superstar that is not.
2) Name a Corporate Negro that is.
"And my kid ain't watching no violence. " Big J
Your son will be consuming violence the first time he watches a Laker game and sees a commercial advertising that weekend's slasher movie. You son will be watching violence the moment he watches a USC football game and they advertise SpiderMan 6.
I've booked talent, promoted concerts and produced a few tours.
We are listening? What? When? and Where?
Actually, that's none of your business man.
"hat have you done lately?? Then I will tell you about moi." Casper
Actually bra, I'm not particularly interested in tu.
"Actually, that's none of your business man."
I don't know DV. Me thinks that if you lay a claim to something you ought to back it up.
Michael Fisher said...
"Actually, that's none of your business man."
I don't know DV. Me thinks that if you lay a claim to something you ought to back it up.
Actually, "You" should think that DV doesn't want to participate in the charade that implies producing a few concerts or a few thousand concerts or 0 concerts adds credibility to any point regarding the Hip Hop cultural phenomena.
I'd rather exchange ideas, insight, and perspective that stand on their own merit. Toe to toe. Pound for pound.
Bullshit "studies" by bullshit academics and the flashing of corporate ghetto cards are crutches for crippled thinking.
DV
Actually, that's none of your business man.
But wait... You brought it up. You made the claim... You sought validation with the statement. Now you won't.. Better yet you can't back it up. Once again I state you will say or do anything for the sake of gansta lyrics just like Snoop or Fiddy. Now was Fiddy shot 9 or 3 times? Well me don't no bossa man. What ever bossa man Jimmy say... LOL... Can you believe this shit. Fake like Curtis. Cam'rom called it.
Da Club (Remix)
(Chorus)
This is how DV do
While sitting in Jimmy's lap
up in the club.
(Chorus)
This is how DV do
He's spitting more bullshit
So some him so love
DV
Come on Mike. How am I going to respond to this guy without using the word "stupid"?
This is how people respond when they themselves are full of hot air. Hating. Said my brotha. I pray for you though ;)
Casper,
You are trying too hard.
"I pray for you though ;) "
The smiley face is officially bitchy.
But let's put this behind us. It's gone on too far.
Come on man. You win. I admit I was wrong.
Hip Hop stars are all demons. None of them are as good as Tupac. They all work directly for Jews. Young Rabbinical students are the real writers of Rap lyrics. Black America would be drug and gun free tomorrow if "rappers" stopped "glorifying" the "thug" life in their lyrics.
My fault. I got it twisted. It's not the Nonthreatening Plantation Negro's fault. It's not the fault of the indoctrinated corporate drone. It's "Gangsta" rap's fault.
OK? You told me!
We cool now?
Good.
The End
Fin
Ende
DV.
I do have one last question, though.
What's this "Congo" Lisa Rice about?
I mean, I'd expect some white boy or Jew, or your Arab friend to use that term, but you?
Why?
Michael Fisher said..."DV.
I do have one last question, though.
What's this "Congo" Lisa Rice about?"
Fair enough question Mike.
I don't know. Heard it is often snickered around the halls of Congress. Usually right before or right after Obama is called Osama.
But mainly because it reflects my contempt for the idea that Rice is held in high esteem simply because she is a black woman who has been granted a token position and a token title.
Rice has allowed a black face to be put on NeoCon lies. She is representing an insane foreign policy not in the interest of the American people.
I think she deserves scorn.
An appointment as Secretary of State for this administration is about as much an honor as being appointed navigator of the Titanic after it hit the iceberg.
It cracks me up how the unimaginative can be lured into hating "rappers" yet have love for warmongers.
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Well, I don't think that the term "congo" which is, of all geographic terms is most identified with Africa, especially since th epublication of the Heart of Darkness, is the appropriate term to express your derision in the context of a black person.
But that's just my opinion.
DV
Rice has allowed a black face to be put on NeoCon lies. She is representing an insane foreign policy not in the interest of the American people.
Who else does this remind me of... The difference it's an insane domestic policy. Hmmm Fiddy maybe?
Aight we cool.
"Hmmm Fiddy maybe?"
Casp.
No offense intended, but, personally, I think you're beatng a dead horse now.
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