Independent.co.ukThe prospect of all-female conception
By Steve Connor, Science Editor
Friday, 13 April 2007
Scientists are seeking ethical permission to produce synthetic sperm cells from a woman's bone marrow tissue after showing that it possible to produce rudimentary sperm cells from male bone-marrow tissue.The researchers said they had already produced early sperm cells from bone-marrow tissue taken from men. They believe the findings show that it may be possible to restore fertility to men who cannot naturally produce their own sperm.
But the results also raise the prospect of being able to take bone-marrow tissue from women and coaxing the stem cells within the female tissue to develop into sperm cells, said Professor Karim Nayernia of the University of Newcastle upon Tyne.
Creating sperm from women would mean they would only be able to produce daughters because the Y chromosome of male sperm would still be needed to produce sons. The latest research brings the prospect of female-only conception a step closer.
"Theoretically is it possible," Professor Nayernia said. "The problem is whether the sperm cells are functional or not. I don't think there is an ethical barrier, so long as it's safe. We are in the process of applying for ethical approval. We are preparing now to apply to use the existing bone marrow stem cell bank here in Newcastle. We need permission from the patient who supplied the bone marrow, the ethics committee and the hospital itself."
- cnulan said..
- Luddites....,
- THAT'S WHAT IT DO!!!!!
- What God wants, God gets - and that's precisely what guides the hand of these accelerating bioscientific endeavors.
- It's transformation or extinction peeple..., don't get it twisted.
- Denmark Vesey said ...
Transform what into what CNulan?Man's self obsession masquerading as "science" and "medicine" does not offer an alternative to extinction. It guarantees extinction by hi-jacking Natural Selection. No longer the domain of nature, the power of Life Itself is now in the hands of corporations and Harry Potter white boys in lab coats.
"We can't leave reproduction up to something as vile backwards and bigoted as ... nature."
Tampering with the human genome is juvenile arrogant ignorance displayed on a biblical scale. It's man playing God, and playing poorly. The cycle of life evolved for millions of years. We are now faced with people getting into the business of selling life.
I submit that the motherless, fatherless test-tube humanity Merc will market is not quite as human as is the original.
Transforming ourselves into anything other than human beings of a higher consciousness is like leaving first class to sit in coach.
This sorcery marketed as immortality in a test tube is nothing more than the effort of some very devious people to control life.
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No more ying and yang. No more light and dark. No more day and night.
No more balance.
Insurgent, you hit the nail on the head. WTF! No "ethical" barrier, but what about the spiritual barrier. Man and woman for procreation, not man and man or woman and woman and damn sure not woman from woman. Scientist have been overstepping there boundaries for years, if not centuries in some cases. I am not saying that science does not have its' benefits, but science has been dabbling in what is the Lord's domain for too long. The natural cycle of life depends on the union of man and woman without it there is no cycle, hence no life. As Insurgent put it " No more balance."
Luddites....,
THAT'S WHAT IT DO!!!!!
What God wants, God gets - and that's precisely what guides the hand of these accelerating bioscientific endeavors.
It's transformation or extinction peeple..., don't get it twisted.
I watched a news program yesterday where the military is funding a new scientific process that will re-grow limbs. They displayed several successful results of fingers that have grown back and look totally normal. I witnessed the video and it's amazing. It's human nature to resist change.
Transform what into what CNulan?
Man's self obsession masquerading as "science" and "medicine" does not offer an alternative to extinction. It guarantees extinction by hi-jacking Natural Selection. No longer the domain of nature, the power of Life Itself is now in the hands of corporations and Harry Potter white boys in lab coats.
Why DV, you're on quite the Luddite tear yourself old bean!
Natural Selection? By Darwinian survival of the fittest? Puh-leeze..., get with program brougham.
Elevate yo game on what it really do.
Tampering with the human genome is juvenile arrogant ignorance displayed on a biblical scale. It's man playing God, and playing poorly. The cycle of life has evolved for millions of years. We are now faced with people getting into the business of selling life.
Nonsense. It's God using the hands and other organs of sense that it implemented for precisely that purpose.
I submit that the motherless, fatherless test-tube humanity Merc will market is not quite as human as is the original.
Go smoke a fatty and watch Bladerunner and read Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep. You need to come to deep grips with what it means to be human. Because your doctrinaire rigidity is utterly unsupported by the available evidence.
Transforming ourselves into anything other than human beings of a higher consciousness is like leaving first class to sit in coach.
This sorcery marketed as immortality in a test tube is nothing more than the effort of some very devious people to control life.
Life is a process of endless overcoming, By Any Means Necessary! Partipating as the agents and instruments of that process is all in scrupulous accord with GAWD's ubiquitous and clearly discernable aims and designs.
Get with it DV.
"You need to come to deep grips with what it means to be human."
LOL ... CNu,
I'll be happy to compare and contrast my notion of humanity as a divine union of mind body and spirit to the notion that reduces humanity to a chemical reaction between sperm, egg and code.
There's more to wealth than cash and there's more to life than DNA.
What you call "overcoming" is actually giving up.
God is the universe coming back together again.
The devil divides man from woman and now sperm from egg.
Fucking lunaTIC
I'll be happy to compare and contrast my notion of humanity as a divine union of mind body and spirit to the notion that reduces humanity to a chemical reaction between sperm, egg and code.
By all means, let the games begin DV..., I trust that you're unafraid of a basic theoretical exploration of the furthest reaches of human experience?
That said, there's nothing reductionistic about anything I've written. Rather, I look to first causes, seek verifiable and testable answers to the hypotheticals I pose, and I don't make rigid and unfalsifiable assumptions rooted in an anthropocentric view of cognition and consciousness.
What you call "overcoming" is actually giving up.
God is the universe coming back together again.
The devil divides man from woman and now sperm from egg.
Oh please. The universe doesn't give a flying phuk about the entirety of humanity. What overbearing hubris and poverty of imagination would lead you to imagine otherwise?
Scale brother, scale....,
The sun doesn't even know we're here. Try coming to grips with geological epochs of time and struggle. Look clearly at what is for all intents immortal. Look at what's here, abiding with us, on this scale of existence, and which was here billions of years before us and will be here billions of years after we're extinguished.
As above, so below. As within, so without. Make your religious yearnings more materialistic than materialism - THIS - is the beginning of wisdom.
What I know first hand and experientially as overcoming, is direct awareness of non-human intelligence. Something which you've perhaps not experienced.
You make constant reference to ineffable and vague mystigoguery DV - but where the wheel meets the road of practical application - I'm not sure you've taken your spiritual ambitions and representatioins to the level of disciplined subjective application.
Remember brother - it was you singing the praises of fiddypage book men talking about the resplendent powers of ayahuasca? What virtues of this mysterious herbal brew were they extolling?
These things "matter" brah.
Off the fiddypage book men for a second. If you were going to explore consciousness and the absolute furthest reaches of human experience, where, and within what three disciplines would you begin your search?
DV,
Steve Mizrach - as far as he goes - sums up a few of the issues very nicely....,
I believe jasai would refer to the overall embedding context as a spiritual "technology". The fact that it produces consistent, objectively repeatable results is what's important here. Those results - once you know what they are - point to something ontological and real, not something airy, fairy, and indefinable.
On a slightly unrelated note, though it too deals with subconscious phenomenology - Mizrach has made dispensations of interest to retired recess monkeys too...,
Shvarze show-offism at its very essence leads to this public ritual.
Best to dispense show-offist pearls of Shvarze Wisdom as thus.
i'm still tryin' to catch my breath....
cnulan.
man.
oh man.
It's been many years since I came into possession of Satprem's transcripts of Mother's Agenda.
While I'm not personally qualified to pass judgement on the veracity of what these entail, I have found their equivalent in every single one of the world's enduring written religious traditions. I have found their equivalent in each pre-literate "cosmological" tradition - and I have concluded - based on personal subjective experience and the plurality of evidence available, that they all point to the same "ultimate" cognitive/conscious reality.
Transforming ourselves into anything other than human beings of a higher consciousness is like leaving first class to sit in coach.
This began with a specific anti-scientific "calling out" of sorts - a rant against human "meddling" in microcosmic affairs - so it's only meet and right to plug back into the relevant science and the specific substrates and mechanisms toward which the spiritual technologies beckon.
"Quantum superposition/entanglement in microtubules for five states related to consciousness. Area under each curve is equivalent in all cases.
(A) Normal 40-Hz experience: as in FIGURE 6.
(B) Anesthesia: anesthetics bind in hydrophobic pockets and prevent electron delocalizability and coherent superposition.
(C) Heightened experience: increased sensory experience input (for example) increases rate of emergence of quantum superposition. Orch OR threshold is reached faster, at higher intensity of experience, and more frequently.
(D) Altered state: even greater rate of emergence of quantum superposition due to sensory input and other factors promoting quantum state (e.g., meditation, psychedelic drug, etc.). Predisposition to quantum state results in baseline shift and collapse so that conscious experience merges with normally subconscious quantum computing mode.
(E)Dreaming: prolonged subthreshold quantum superposition time."
It's all right there on page 18 of this very lovely little old paper.
What you call "overcoming" is actually giving up. God is the universe coming back together again. The devil divides man from woman and now sperm from egg.
rotflmbao...,
I wrote the following nearly four years ago when I had more time to devote to this preoccupation;
In other words, usually the OR rate (speed of mass wavefunction collapse events) is too quick to be perceptible, but the secondary effects (neuronal configurations) spit back the results (subconsciously) just the same.
When the rate of Orch OR events is slowed (or the time the system is superposed is extended) the ordinarily subconscious states become superposed on human awareness - the superposed state is always entangled with the rest of the system it exists in (the implicate order at a Plank scale of the Universe) to a greater or lesser extent.
So conscious awareness of the flickering, extended superposed states is the shamanic awareness, C4, jacking into the Quantum Ethernet, being in contact with the Divine, etc.
Control of the emergence rate of OR events consciously is hard though, and is the point of all religions (their inner teachings anyway).
Functioning of ego blocks it, personality blocks it, pretty much everything blocks it, because all these states run at a higher OrchOR rate. Letting it all go, and just seeing the universe via the entangled system is hard, but might be the point of the system in the first place.
This last is what I call "overcoming" - and as with anything worth doing - the devil is always in the details.
Here go a related, disciplined, traditional description....., particularly this;
Energetically this 7th chakra is associated with awakening perception and has a key characteristic of surrender. This is thought to be a large part of the reason so many faiths practice the act of bowing. It focuses blood flow and circulation of prana at the 7th chakra and a person is given a renewed sense of openness, humility and inner strength.
It seems then that one could conclude that if we were able to control the flow of Prana through a particular nostril and ultimately balance the flow, we could, as a result, command the complete energy of our physical, mental and emotional bodies as well.
yawn
Ghayfs klkghsy hgdtdb yd. Sosp ksnjhs a ppmsaj. Uhhaha, jsjeb opskey lalh opsn!!!
Kklajw aka, aaka ipla gibberish.
Transformation or extinction recess monkey?
rotflmbao - as if you had a choice.
Oh yeah, aside from your highly intelligent choice of calling a person you've never seen various forms of monkey, I meant to say something about your choice of that particular clip.
It depicts man's first step towards rational thought and technological progress. That's a compliment.
Now where would you be on the evolutionary scale?
Genius?
I'm the monolith dumbass.
rotflmbao....,
Nulan
"I'm the monolith dumbass."
Interesting.
That explains it.
No.
This explains it.
Nulan, the sentinel of an extra-terrestrial force.
Interesting.
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Akakna. p88o. aoan abauh. jankqq. Jahaha.
llk.gshgtt. op8oo. auhja. ahkqq. jhakna.
JIjha. bt776. aaj=088. ahjAhgt.
Decode that, genius.
Key=87avI
By the way...
"I'm the monolith dumbass."
You do realize, I hope, that your lack of orthographic skill resulted in you describing yourself as a "monolith dumbass"? Or was that self-description your intention?
For religion to take hold, parents must atrophy their own children's minds by making them believe Faith is good. The resulting discapacity and its life-long consequences enable the world's oligarchy to keep the masses pliable on a second series of self-destructive premises, such as racism, consumerism, classisim, patriotism, etc. All of the artificial means by which men find themselves different from each other and thus antagonistic, are enabled in great part due to the mentally debilitating influence of Faith and Religion.
I realize that a recess monkey never learns, and will obsessively and compulsively show his ass at every possible opportunity.
"The sun doesn't even know we're here." CNulan
CNu,
We are the sun.
You guys are really a barrel of laughs.
Nulan...
"The sun doesn't even know we're here."
How would you know?
Have you talked to the sun lately?
Grandiose statements without empirical evidence...
Did you decode the cipher yet?
Skip. There's a difference between religion and spirituality.
Religion is illogical, spirituality is not.
We are the sun.
Keep hope alive DV....,
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