Monday, December 10, 2007

Ron Paul Addresses the "Diversity" Illusion


"Bigotry at its essence is a sin of the heart, and we can’t change people’s hearts by passing more laws and regulations…. Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans strictly as members of groups rather than individuals. Racists believe that all individuals who share superficial physical characteristics are alike: as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups. By encouraging Americans to adopt a group mentality, the advocates of so-called "diversity" actually perpetuate racism. Their obsession with racial group identity is inherently racist."

33 comments:

J.C. said...

Sounds like sociological gobbledy gook to me.

I really hate this guy.

Libertarians are worse scum than Repubs of Dems. They care about nothing really and would 'privatize' what ever is left.

He grovels in front of our antique constitution.

If you want a gold standard, and an even greater class/caste system vote for this jerk.

So bigotry is a sin of the Heart ?

Sounds like political happy horse shit to me.

Denmark Vesey said...

Skip your intellectual laziness has gotten the best of you. Like a punch drunk fighter you mumble redundant Technocracy slogans.

OK. We get it. You hate everyone who does not swear allegiance to the "Technocracy Movement".

You have become what you claim to despise. A religious fanatic conditioned to hate those that don't believe in your belief system.

There is nothing to "hate" about Ron Paul.

Anonymous said...

Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans strictly as members of groups rather than individuals. Racists believe that all individuals who share superficial physical characteristics are alike:

OTL -Very profound; “bigotry is a sin of the heart”, as well as a first cousin to ignorance

Yo DV! Im in here.

J.C. said...

Screw you Denmark.
Intellectually lazy ?

Ha ha.

What part of Technocracy being secular do you not understand.

You be ignorant religious rambler.

Denmark Vesey said...

OT!

greenIAM said...

Ron Paul is for real.

This statement has some resonance.

Still, i am skeptical.

People who engage in Group-Think often point the finger at the "other" that they think is to blame for their reactionary behavior.

I wonder:

Does the Constitution encourage Americans to adopt a group mentality, the advocates of so-called "national unity" actually perpetuate racism, classism, and violent nationalism. Is not our obsession with National group identity inherently the same as his definition of racism?

J.C. said...

'Soldiers' equals 'constitution' loving people, in a sense that the 'values' that keep the cycle turning in this system, have to be inculcated, when the information is false.

Brainwashing and propaganda then form the basis of society.

All religious/political belief is based on bigotry.
It has to be. It is based on opinion, and not fact.

While it is perfectly fine to 'believe' anything, that value should not translate to a government. If it does it is not functional governance.

Intellectual Insurgent said...

Does the Constitution encourage Americans to adopt a group mentality, the advocates of so-called "national unity" actually perpetuate racism, classism, and violent nationalism.

The Constitution doesn't encourage anything for the populace. It defines each individual's rights vis-a-vis the government.

Is not our obsession with National group identity inherently the same as his definition of racism?

It is, on a worldwide scale.

J.C. said...

Oh really Insurgent ?
Thanks so much for your dumbed down interpretation.

The original 1787 Constitution, and the formal establishment of the Federal political government two years later, was limited by the vision of the merchants, lawyers, and tillers of the soil who led the new country's rural-agrarian economy. All that would be needed, in their view, was a national army and navy to repel invaders, a Department of State to deal with foreign nations, a Justice Department, a treasury, a postal service, a small bureaucracy, and a weak law-making body with a president to be chosen in quadrennial popularity contests, otherwise officially known as elections, in order to give the people the illusion of having a voice in decisions, the one thing that was lacking in England.

The business leadership of the loosely "United" States fully intended to keep the country a confederation of almost independent states, except to tolerate their mercenaries in the national capitol. Originally they were satisfied when the revolution ended in 1782 with their "Articles of Confederation" as guide.


Revolutionary in name only, the writers of the Constitution unblushingly copied the British parliamentary idea with a House of Representatives roughly parallel with the House of Commons and a Senate similar to the House of Lords, traditionally a mouthpiece for the Crown. So wary were the financial rulers of this country of the people's voice that they did not allow the people to vote for U.S. Senators until the year 1912. (The idea of a Senate and senators, of course, goes back 2,000 years to ancient Rome where the word originated.)

The business of Economics, long entrenched in England and the rest of Europe, was continued unaltered here in the Constitution except to make it easier, more lawfully acceptable and feasible, even if under cover, for the financial elite of top investment banks to establish policy, both foreign and domestic, for the government to officially carry out as national policies.

Appropriately, George Washington, one of the wealthiest land owners, was inaugurated first president on Wall Street in New York City (1789) where there is still a bronze plaque to commemorate the event.

Intellectual Insurgent said...

Thanks for the history lesson Skip. Still waiting for your point.

Anonymous said...

Concealed in Mr. Paul's description is the fact that policy implements derived from local laws after the Bacon's Rebellion in Virginia and later the Constitution itself gave racism its hypertophied musculature. Now we're to believe, just like some Founding Fathers are reported by revisionists to have felt about slavery, that racism will simply fade away if we pay it no attention.

In no matter of importance to national life are individuals left to their own solutions. The problem with racial remedies is that they are too tepid.

Denmark Vesey said...

Submariner, are you saying racism is immortal?

J.C. said...

Only people with little to no scientific training or people with and abstracted idea of race, consider the concept of 'race' at all.

The human race while diverse is one.

We can accept the status quo of a dysfunctional system that is based on a class class system, or we can start a new society template where all citizens are equal, and there are no minorities.
In other words in a good society all people have equal access to any thing that one person has access to and NO special interest groups can control or manipulate ANY ONE.

The need for charity is then eliminated. Everyone at any level of society in terms of education or fame in a good society would have equal access to the goods and services of that good society.

The Technate design is the ONLY plan that makes that happen.

It also allows for complete freedom of speech

Michael Fisher said...

skip...

"Appropriately, George Washington, one of the wealthiest land owners, was inaugurated first president on Wall Street in New York City (1789) where there is still a bronze plaque to commemorate the event."

You got it about right until you got here. It is "George Washington, one of the wealthiest slave owners".

Washington's primary source of wealth was his slaves.

Land was a-plenty and cheap, even in ole' Viginia. The requisite back-breaking labor required to make the land productive was not. Thus, if one owned free labor the profits thus generated were super profits of an immense scale.

Michael Fisher said...

DV...

"Submariner, are you saying racism is immortal?"

As long as we got House Negroes such as certain folks who run this blog denying it's systemic existence, it certainly will be.

J.C. said...

All kind of nasty things are systemic in this Devil worshiping occult dumbed down religious and moralistic system we live in.

I agree Fisher that Washington made his mark with his slaves. They provided the human energy. Lets not forget that the 'father' of this country took advantage of the then societal template.

Just as some modern day people take advantage of selling drugs, and making a ton of money and turning people into addicts.

The template could be changed. Now its class and caste and wage slaves.
The old echo of the effects still linger though yes, and we have new versions of slavery also.

If we want a good society this one we have now is NOT good enough.
A redrawing of it should and can be made. It is overdue.

The clock is ticking... and we are on a countdown to chaos with this pathetic current societal template.

CNu said...

Only people with little to no scientific training or people with and abstracted idea of race, consider the concept of 'race' at all.

Uh, sure Skip....., tell that to the folks at the New York Times and the Washington Post who have been busily rebranding racism for the 21st century.

J.C. said...

I don`t know any one that takes any thing that the New York times has to say seriously.

They are in the business of making money.

While it may be possible to rebrand any thing it does not follow that one should allow oneself to be branded.

J.C. said...

While there is no shortage of ignorant people...
it does not take much to provoke people with silly ideas, race or other to stir the pot of ignorance.

Nazi science ?
Any body take that seriously besides a few skinheads that are mostly young and stupid ?, and maybe people that read the N.Y.T.`s.

Denmark Vesey said...

"I agree Fisher that Washington made his mark with his slaves. They provided the human energy. Lets not forget that the 'father' of this country took advantage of the then societal template.

Just as some modern day people take advantage of selling drugs, and making a ton of money and turning people into addicts." Skip


Most insightful statement made on the blog today, and wisest statement made by Skip this year.

CNu said...

Submariner, are you saying racism is immortal?

If Sub won't say it, I will. It depends on the exploitation of an underlying cognitive error and much like hacking techniques - has a viral life of its own. Coupled with the fact that elements of the Establishment intentionally promote and exploit this trick for their own purposes, I'd say that for all intents and purposes it's an indestructible malfunction.

You sure as shit can't ever strike at the root of it with the tinfoil hat wearing antics personified by Bro. Fisher.

Anonymous said...

Denmark, racism is an aberrant behavior that does indeed endlessly replicate itself without regard to consequence. While I don't grant it invincibility like some, I definitely agree that it is a scourge that destroys humanity and will continue to do so unless we actively innoculate ourselves.

Herd immunity of the type that my physician colleague, Ron Paul, describes comes only after much of the populace has been actively vaccinated. To limit the problem to one of perception and subjective bias vulnerable to individual moral rectitude strikes me as wrong and unsupported by objective facts. Racism is practiced at a group and structural plane but solutions are ineffectively aimed at the personal level.

CNu said...

Any body take that seriously besides a few skinheads that are mostly young and stupid ?, and maybe people that read the N.Y.T.`s.

These folks take it seriously..., judging by their longstanding promotion of Stephen Pinker and Armand Leroi - and the folks who tolerated it for decades in the person of James Watson represent another interlocking node of folks who take it very seriously and keep their real intentions strictly downlow.

So no Skip, it's not about the usual knuckle-dragging suspects who might come to your mind when you think of racism..., it's about the folks who should be foursquare behind your movement to scientifically retemplate society, but aren't.

CNu said...

"Racism is practiced at a group and structural plane but solutions are ineffectively aimed at the personal level."

Now THERE'S your intellectually dynamic statement of the year here at Denmark Vesey!!!

Anonymous said...

So let me get this straight: studying and enjoying your own culture makes you a racist?

I'm calling bullshit.

Intellectual Insurgent said...

CNu,

Doesn't this tie into your theory of dopamine hegemony?

If I control who/what you fear, I control you. Right?

Racism is no more or less self-replicating or systemic than any other propaganda that creates an us v. them mentality.

The sheeple like the rush of being scared. That's why they pay good money to go to horror films, ride roller coasters and bunjee jump. It's the rush.

People like drama.

If we want to "cure" racism (assuming such a thing is definable and doable), cure the addiction to drama. Destroy the dopamine hegemon.

Michael Fisher said...

Craig. Tell me this. Absent the "cognitive error" of identifying "ethnic groups" as separate species, would there be such a thing as "racism"?

Denmark Vesey said...

Interesting Brother Mariner,

Remarkable how racism is described much like anti-Semitism is described by it’s champions: aberrant … endless replication … scourge … people must be “inoculated” … others “vaccinated”. Notice how they are both addressed with religious undertones.

Today, some Black people are more upset by the suggestion that racism doesn’t exist than they are by the suggestion that God doesn’t exist. [Peep the lack of response to Skip Sievert’s anti-God statement in the above post]

Let someone state "RACISM DOESN'T EXIST" and black intellectual secularists, with their lips poked out, trip all over each other in a rush to defend their new God.

The Racism Myth has replaced God in the minds of it’s adherents (black apostate Christians).

Both racism and anti-Semitism are group empowerment strategies, both can never really be “cured” because that would require the objects of racism / anti-Semitism to relinquish power consistent with their “victim status”.

Jews have leveraged “anti-Semitism” to get their very own tax-payer funded Zionist state and political and economic entitlements beyond measure.

Black folks got the Jena 6 March / Family Reunion.

Racism is a self-defeating and self-perpetuating phenomenon that requires people buy into it, by fearing it (like God) to work.

J.C. said...

Cnu try reading this differently.

"If Sub won't say it, I will. It depends on the exploitation of an underlying cognitive error and much like hacking techniques - has a viral life of its own."

Its more bullshit man. A good culture does not care what people think, or what they say. Sticks and stones. Action is different.

The very basic problem with being a preacher and/or moralizer, is that it makes one impotent as they are then the subjects of the people they are trying to reform.

What difference does it make if someone hates someone. As long as they are precluded from a power position it does not.

People can be free to hate and love or not care about what they want to.

Thousands of years of moralizing has changed very little, but it is a way to detract people from real change.

Real change means changing the Rules of the Game.

Then the players act differently.
Currently we reward the NeoCons, people like Bushco Cheney, and others that are hate mongering lunatics that are only interested in bigotry and making money for their special interest groups.
Now we have a Hillary or Obama getting ready to do the same damn thing over and over and over as Bush.

Hello ?

CNu said...

Craig. Tell me this. Absent the "cognitive error" of identifying "ethnic groups" as separate species, would there be such a thing as "racism"?

The history books are as open to your perusal as they are to mine. Do your studies show you any examples of racism as a methodical governance strategy prior to a certain definite period in time?

Michael Fisher said...

cnulan...

"The history books are as open to..."

Once again:

Craig. Tell me this. Absent the "cognitive error" of identifying "ethnic groups" as separate species, would there be such a thing as "racism"?

J.C. said...

Why ask him ? You are a human. You have experienced humanity. Answer yourself.

What part of there being one race is so hard to understand ?

Why leave everything off into sociological drivel ?

We live in a sick society yes.

Why give more ammunition to the sick society, or in effect why buy into bullshit concepts such a race?

Fellow humans... get your act together and take it on the road or stay home, but stop bull shit-ing.

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