Should the US have invaded Iraq? Iran? Afghanistan? Libya?
Should the US meddle in the internal affairs of Egypt? Syria? Somalia? Sudan?
Should the government control the school system?
Should Americans borrow and spend their way out of debt?
Does the government have the right to imprison people for using drugs?
Should the government indirectly fund the abortions of millions of unborn children?.
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The problem with Ron Paul is the same that I find with anyone who thinks Ayn Rand knew what she was talking about... anyone with that as a base for their thinking is more racist and inconsiderate than most folks... that you may agree with some of what he says is happenstance...
I really don't follow your logic, Big Mark. What exactly is the "problem" with Ron Paul that is "the same" you find "with anyone that thinks Ayn Rand knew what she was talking about"? You are arguing by insinuation and implying that OF COURSE we all know what you're talking about, but you haven't actually presented a case or stated anything clearly. You've just presented an insinuation, based on an implied guilt by association, based upon an implied glittering generalization. ("We all know Ayn Rand and those who find something of value in her philosophy are crazy people...and racist to boot, right? And Ron Paul supporters are fundamentally the same as the Randians, therefore...")
"Anyone with that as a base for their thinking"--again, you have failed to define your terms. What is the "that" you are referring to? More insinuation. I don't see an actual rational argument here.
"...is more racist and inconsiderate than most folks"--based on what evidence? Very easy to say when you haven't even bothered to define your premises or bothered to provide any evidence.
"...that you may agree with some of what he says is happenstance..." In what way?
A lot of words here, but I don't see any actual thinking going on.
Personally, Obama is quite similar to the kinds of mainstream, respectable Black leaders Malcolm X strongly criticized during his lifetime. Being that he was also a strong advocate of Pan-Africanism, rooted in a support for the sovereign nationlist movements of each individual African and Muslim country he visited, Malcolm most definitely would not have had any agreement with a man who bombs children with expensive remote controlled military toys and topples well-established and widely supported nationalist governments like in Qadaffi's Libya based on the same false "friendly friend" and "humanitarian" pretenses the U.S. has used for decades.
If anything, his position would more critical than Pauls, but the fundamental agreement on the rights of sovereignty and self-determination of peoples and nations would be exactly the same.
Malcolm would support Barack, of course. He's a race man.
Brother DV:
The Manning Marabel book on Malcolm X is an excellent read.
In this detailed journal it is revealed that Malcolm X supported Arizona Senator Barry Goldwater over Johnson.
X believed that all White folks had it in for the Black man and that the least worst enemy was the White man who WAS NOT trying to "Feed The Negroes".
Today's X's image has been usurped and molested by many Black Progressive-Fundamentalists.
It is no surprise though because from this same book I learned that the Progressive icon - Ella Baker staunchly opposed Italy's incursion into Ethiopia. Decades later as Italy joined in on the International coup in Libya (2011) many Black progressives in America CHEERED instead of wondering if Italy's intentions in Africa had changed any in 70 years.
That is something to think about, not about supporting Obama of coarse. He definitely wouldn't have allowed the administration to pimp out King's legacy the way it did. Every two-piece & biscuit Negro would hate him today for his position against Obama. But Gov. Jessie Venture doesn't even show the level of support for Ron Paul the way he did before. Perhaps there are some things he knows that aren't really plausible. Malcolm of coarse was a much more keen observer.
One thing about Malcolm is that he was always evolving. He had no issue with retracting a position and telling you that he was incorrect. His sincerity was light years above others.
Gee Chee Vision:
Please listen to my argument for a second.
INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT OBAMA - START LOOKING AT (what I call) THE BLACK RACIAL SERVICES MACHINE.
Obama is at most an opportunist who leveraged the fact that he had all of the key attributes that the Progressive-Joint Venture between the Black Racial Services Machine (the array of cogs - Politicians, Intellectuals, Labor, Entertainers, Civil Rights Organizations, etc) and the WHITE PROGRESSIVE Cheshire Foxes.
I DO NOT BLAME OBAMA for stepping up and USING what he was afforded.
We saw several damning points of evidence about the STATE OF BLACK CONSCIOUSNESS in 2011:
1) Black folks in a group meeting AGREEING to "NOT Speak Truth To Power" because doing so might upset his reelection chances
2) When Black Progressive (Smiley and West) ran a POVERTY TOUR - those forces who cared more about PROTECTING THE PRESIDENT than about showing "The Least Of These" ran counter protests
3) At the CBC Jobs Fair in Miami - freshman Rep (but long time S. Florida politician) Fredrica Wilson stood before a room full of UNEMPLOYED BLACK PEOPLE and told that that it was the TEA PARTY that was the reason they were unemployed. MANY OF THEM CHEERED
4) AFRICA WAS ATTACKED by The US Imperial power and 4 African Colonizers (France, Italy, UK and Belgium) in what was called a "Humanitarian Mission". The BLACK PRESS CHEERED and said "Mission Accomplished" when the sovereign leader of Libya was shot dead. The very same week - the UN lifted its sanctions and NATO halted its bombing mission - in this a HUMANITARIAN MISSION
4a) NATO destroyed 8 Libyan ships (6 coast guard ships and 2 naval vessels) - because they "threatened" to interrupt HUMANITARIAN SHIPMENTS - despite being securely docked in their port.
FOR SOME REASON "American Negroes" who can tell us about how SLAVE SHIPS came to the west coast of Africa - unscathed by any of our ancestor's defenses - could not get beyond their SUPPORT FOR OBAMA to be able to consciously project forward in history when in the year 2111 - as large portions of Black Americans "Go Back To Africa" - their actions in 2011 just JUSTIFIED any invasion of Africa IF the United Nations greenlights it AND NATO provides the fire power.
STOP LOOKING AT OBAMA!!!
START LOOKING AT THE PRESENT STATE OF BLACK AMERICAN CONSCIOUSNESS.
There you will find the problem.
Obama is merely an agent that can INDUCE Blacks to show our present UNCONSCIOUSNESS about the world and a strategy to defend our global interests as a people in the long run.
Today's Politically Co-opted Negro represent a weak link in the chain of our conscious uplift.
Who would Malcolm have supported. Neither the Republican Paul, nor the Democrat Obama.
Malcolm as a Pan-Afrikan Nationalist was by definition a political independent.
http://www.malcolm-x.org/docs/gen_oaau.htm
Calling Ron Paul simply a "Republican" is like calling El Hajj Malik El-Shabazz simply a member of The Nation of Islam.
Ron Paul transcends conventional party politics.
He operates outside the limits of the typical Left v Right paradigm.
His biggest political enemy in this race is the Republican establishment.
The fact is Ron Paul's positions on issues are not only remarkably close to Malcolm X's, Ron Paul's message is remarkably similar to Marcus Garveys, The Honorable Elijah Muhammad and The Minister Louis Farrakhan.
People who are dependent on government can never be free.
People who are not free will never prosper.
Nah, I doubt Malcolm would be waiting in line to vote in the Republican primary for Paul.
However, I do not doubt he would admire Paul's moral courage to take a stand against war, against funding Israel and for auditing the money lenders.
Malcolm would give the cat his props for that.
He wouldn't stand around all sullen and politically unappreciative like these handkerchief head Negros out here playing the race game instead of making political moves.
What Denzel say?
This is chess motherfuckers! Not checkers.
Blacks have 10 times more potential political power backing a Paul platform instead of continuing this silly stupid emotional support for the hallow illusion of an African-American president.
Just remember this: American politics is the science of deception.
After Paul fails to win the Republican nomination, let's see if he has the courage to run as an independent?
Mak. Winning the nomination or even the presidency is besides the point.
The value of Paul's candidacy is it brings voice to issues that have been voiceless for too long.
Paul can deliver vast and massive opposition to the "War" on Terror and the "War" on Drugs for example.
The majority of the American people would stop both tomorrow if they could.
Every other politician in America is so compromised they can't even pretend they oppose the fascist on these issues.
With 1 Million Black people in prison ... how black people are not rallying to the anti-War on Drugs message of Paul is mind boggling.
They don't even DARE ask Obama to champion that issue.
The political savvy of negros is as bad as their diets.
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