The Olmecs were indeed Malian Moors. The Mayans were descendants of the Malian Moors and were often referred to as "Black Mexicans" or Quetzacoatl.There are ancient Mexican wall paintings that depicts these "Negroid" kings and rulers as unmistakably African. These Moors were the people who built the great pyramids all over South America, Peru, Canada, Alaska, and Georgia that scattered all throughout North America along the Mississippi River and it's tributaries are found mounds built out of tons and tons of earth.
The people who built them were called the Mound Builders and they were the descendants of the Malian Moor Olmecs. These Moors eventually migrated to North America from Mexico and became known as Washitaw, Yamasee and the Ben-Isma-ELtribe. The Ben-Isma-EL tribe was a collection of what is now known as Lenape, Wapanoag and Nanticoke Indians who migrated to Indiana and Illinois and referred to themselves as "Moors" even though the United States Government continued to classify them as "Negroes" in order to strip them of their Indigenous rights.
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They don't teach it for very good reason.
Yes. It keeps people ignorant like you.
Ignorant people are easy to control.
Got you Jigaboos thinking all blacks in the Americas were brought here in boats.
Chattel.
Not indigenous.
Not native.
Not free.
Cargo.
Not sovereigns.
Property.
Which is probably why you still think as a slave.
Ben-Isma-EL tribe= Son of Ismael
No. It's simply not good scholarship. If you clowns who push silly thinly "researched" crap like this would subject your assertions to rigorous scholarship and a REAL connection were to be found it would be interesting.
You simply are too lazy to do the work.
and what would that "good" reason be, dmg?
"No. It's simply not good scholarship." DMG
Doc,
It is just as good as the "scholarship" that the Plantation used to trick you into believing all black people were brought to this country as slaves.
The Official Historical Narrative you were taught in school is as flawed as the Official 911 Narrative you are being taught now.
It is as flawed as the H1N1 Pandemic you were suckered into believing last year.
It is as flawed as the "scholarship" behind toxic vaccines.
Doc.
Try to stop 'choosing sides' and to think for yourself.
Yaron!
What up man?
Yeah. That's right. Son of Ismael.
You and I might be cousins bruh.
Sista Nurse!
Where you been?
Leave me up here surrounded by all these haters.
You know we know we need your 60 inches of sweetness to put a little yin in all this yang.
What's sad is that there was a pre-Columbian Malian presence in the Americas
and,
Substantial evidence exists to support the claim that Olmec civilization had a transatlantic kickstart, though (not without significant controversy) and multiple competing claims.
However, to mix it all up in the free-form fiddy-page book man fashion (Malian-Moor Olmecs? WTF!?!?! ) that Bacon-Bey Ben Israel peddles like crack for chickenheads - is a profound disservice to the serious scholarship and arduous struggle involved with establishing these independent historical, cultural, and anthropological foundations.
Ignorant jiggaboos spitting Moorish "Science" keep the late Dr. Ivan Van Sertima spinning in his grave....., what's worse, wouldn't be none of this fiddy-page book sacrilege if not for the pioneering work of Ivan Van which these porch monkeys desecrate with their ignorant license and abuse.
Shut up Jigaboo.
The Moors don't have man-boobs.
What's more "ignorant" than that?
you are nipple-head....,
So, there you have it.
On one hand you have the often (and demonstrably wrong) host who repeats stuff pulled out of someones ass without any evidence. His only reason is because he hates his slave roots. He's ashamed of people who endured without soft beds, and $40 organic bread. To that I say fuck you if you are ashamed of your ancestors.
On the other hand you have CNu bringing to the conversation an oral history from a Malian civilization, which is a good place to start for a real research project. It's either provable or it's not.
I really do wonder why people continue to duel over "who 'discovered' America first", who got here before Columbus, etc. I think it comes down to a claim of who belongs, which ultimately is just alot of bullshit. Funny thing is that there's plenty of evidence that a group of people beat Columbus, the Vikings, the Chinese and the Malians...by about 40,000 years.
Why is it that black folks, especially Americans, push claims that every major figure in history was black, and that some vast fucking conspiracy has been set up to hide it. As a joke I just typed in "the king of england was really black"...guess what came up?
And the Nurse asks me why?
BTW Bacon-Bey - thanks for digging this up from the crates from seven months ago:
Bro. Makheru killed all this Moorish gas last sunday on this thread thus;
The interesting thing about these particular Moors, is that without the evolution of the Afrikan-centered movement in the mid-1980s, under the leadership of ASCAC, and their focus on Ancient KMT, and the works of Diop, ben-Jochannan, Obenga, James, Williams, Jackson, Massey, Churchward, Budge, etc., and the enormous contributions of Ivan Van Sertima and the team of scholars he assembled for his Journal of African Civilizations, these Moors would have, from an intellectual perspective, neither a pot to piss in nor a window throw it out of. They are one of many marginal groups who are trying to spin history to serve their particular interest, while presenting themselves as if they are operating with seminal knowledge. What a croc of B/S.
However, for those who believe this and join their movement, more power to them. Let them go forward and see what they can accomplish.
The kwestin begged is why not a single ASCAC scholar has lifted a finger to explore the Moorish narrative?!?!?!?!
Now unless one pretends to believe that the ASCAC collective is a bunch of Illuminati altertumswissenschaft revisionists, one is compelled to conclude that the Moorish narrative is a "croc of B/S" straight.out.of.a.comic.book - and thus unworthy of serious examination.
DV- I'm really liking your latest posts/lectures. Social engineering has perverted the way we see people and ourselves. These assholes really make you think in stereotypes. Reading your site is like cleaning yourself off from that funk:)
I feel especially bad for young people who dont have the resources to find the truth. Its a going to be a long battle but its the only way. Keep up the good work. Thanks
Hey Yaron.
Thank you my man. I appreciate the appreciation.
And you are right.
The "Official Narrative of Everything" is a form of mind control.
Which explains the two monkeys on this thread who are desperate to discredit any competing meme.
They are under a form of mind control which makes them resent any idea not sponsored by their authority figures.
Yaron, Malcolm X used to tell a story about some Negros during slavery, who were more invested in their masters well being than they were in their own.
When the owner was sick, they were more uncomfortable than their owner.
When their owner was in a bad mood, they were morose.
When their masters house caught on fire, they ran faster than the master did to put the fire out.
Today, the Plantation is built upon memes. When those memes come under question, when the "scholarship" of those memes is challenged ... these Jigaboos defend those memes more diligently and than the Plantation defends itself.
Malcolm X used to tell a story about some Negros
Malcolm X's "authority figures" shot his Blackazz when he finally got tired of peddling their raggedy jiggaboology...,
That's true CNu.
But you ever notice, neither Malcolm nor the cats who shot him, had tits?
...
...
something to think about.
lol,
it's not as if you've ever shown yourself capable of thinking about very much else nipple-head.
now run along and fetch me one of them coconut sammiches...,
lol you cold DV. cold!
lol @ DV - Malcolm w/o man tits!
To all you cats tryna dispute DV, ask yourself the questions:
1. DVs original question - Why are you trying so hard to hold on to this belief?
2. Even if DV allegedly doesn't have "evidence," none of you have any accurate evidence to prove him wrong, correct?
3. What was the total death count of all the slaves allegedly brought by boat?
4. How can a malnourished, muscle atrophied, smelling of feces, sickly person make a healthy slave immediately? Would not a large cost go to improving the health of slaves?
5. Would not that cost make slavery more trouble than worth? C'mon sons, you lose a few slaves by water, you lose some to illness, and you still have enough left over to work a plantation?
6. How would slavery function effectively, when most white establishments initially starved to death upon landing in America and still continued to struggle to survive years later? (Running water, bathrooms, electricity, supermarkets, heat, etc. all the things we enjoy didn't exist)
7. Would this inconvenience not make it harder to be a slave master, if you gotta interrupt your day (hunting, building fire, etc.) to wait for a boat to arrive with some slaves?
* Really are ppl that stupid?
You apparently are that stupid. Why is it that almost every new head on this blog lately is a certified dumbass, who can't seem to look beyond whatever half-baked, rusty "knowledge" floating around in their atrophied little excuse of a brain? You do realize there's LOTS of data out there you could tap into. Shit, I gave you a fairly good resource on the other link.
HERE I'll give it to you again.
Now, if you want to be a slavery denier or want to say the Trans-Atlantic Slave trade was a hoax, please go right ahead. Just don't expect anyone to take you seriously. Or get angry when someone refers to you as a nipple-headed dumbass.
Not sure what your agenda is, but I'm sure we'll figure it out soon enough.
Who denied slavery? Learn how to read stupid.
The only topic here is whether black folks were already in AMERICA as the real NATIVE AMERICANS & enslaved from within, or whether we captured by boat, like white folks claim.
We are not talking about any other data, including that sorry excuse for a source you provided.
You can't trace how many blks were brought over, b/c blks weren't counted as ppl back then - We were considered 3/5 man and property. Therefore, all of your info. is hearsay from the white man, NOT the ancestors. He can make up anything, tell any lies, and you wouldn't know the difference, or even where the lie ends. <-- This is the POINT, since you can't see ur way to the truth.
Don't know why a man like u would be concerned with my agenda. That's kinda gay, if you ask me, but to each his own, no homo.
I think Major Harvey is a crier. I'll bet at the very least I can get spittle flying onto his computer screen before the weekend is out (and I'll even include my travel time to the West Coast--out of internet range).
I do believe my quote was "Now, if you want to be a slavery denier or want to say the Trans-Atlantic Slave trade was a hoax, please go right ahead".
Since there is ZERO evidence that there were any people of recent African descent living in the Americas prior to the early 1500's, your statements are aimed at denying the Trans-Atlantic Slave trade, and thereby the enslavement of black people in this particular country...stupid.
Sorry excuse for a source? Well, "Major" what source are you drawing from--or have you flushed it down the toilet already by mistake?
I'll give you the floor right now.
PROVE your assertions, or please shut the fuck up. There are too many dumb motherfuckers with Broadband access online already.
Case in point:
"You can't trace how many blks were brought over, b/c blks weren't counted as ppl back then - We were considered 3/5 man and property. Therefore, all of your info. is hearsay from the white man, NOT the ancestors. He can make up anything, tell any lies, and you wouldn't know the difference, or even where the lie ends. <-- This is the POINT, since you can't see ur way to the truth."
And you know this how??
I'm not concerned with your agenda, I just pointed out that I think you have one. And the fact that you brought up "gay" so quickly makes me think you spend a bit too much time in the walk-in, if you know what I mean.
That's right. Son of Ismael. You and I might be cousins bruh. – Devany
So now you’re a Moorish Jewish Arab—who loves poor white people. LOL
The Olmecs were indeed Malian Moors.—Devany (Meaning they are from the Mali Empire.)
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/mali/hd_mali.htm
However, the great stone heads of La Venta, Tres Zapotes, etc. are carbon-dated to 984-650 BCE, wearing military headgear similar to that worn by the Kemetic-Nubian armies of the mighty Taharka of the magnificient 25th Dynasty of Ancient KMT. So Devany, ya need to back that thang up—from medieval Mali all the way to the Nile Valley of antiquity.
How can a malnourished, muscle atrophied, smelling of feces, sickly person make a healthy slave immediately? Would not a large cost go to improving the health of slaves?—Harvey
Your lack of knowledge of history is eerily similar to some one else here. Obviously you’re not familiar with the preparation for sale requirements which began after the Middle Passage, and you’re not familiar with “seasoning.”
Would not that cost make slavery more trouble than worth?—Harvey Obviously not!
Consider the mortality rates from the voyages of these slave ships:
St. Jan: 219 boarded-110 died; Arthur: 417 boarded-88 died; Martha: 447 boarded-62 died; Coaster: 150 boarded-37 died; Hannibal: 700 boarded-320 died. Total: 1,933 boarded; 617 died (almost 32%)
Traders paid on $25 per slave, and sold them on average for $150. The net from the above sales would have been $149,075. After the cost of supplies, salaries, etc. that part of the trade alone was a profitable business. And of course that’s only one aspect of this sordid commerce. It does not deal with the immense profits generated from the export of crops like sugar, tobacco, cotton, coffee, indigo, etc. The commerce from Saint Dominque alone employed 15,000 French sailors on 1,000 ships. You may want to read “Capitalism and Slavery” unless you have an aversion to reading books like someone else we know.
http://www.uncpress.unc.edu/browse/book_detail?title_id=641
The bottom line Devany is, you can run around this issue until your vegan lungs are depleted of O2, but you can’t hide from Mother Afrika. B/C the circle will never be broken.
http://www.assatashakur.org/forum/rbg-tube/25607-dr-marimba-ani-yurugu-afrikan-rebirth.html
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