The womenfolk are curiously absent from this discussion. I passed it over a few times myself, as it is not my interest.However, I'd like to point out that when God completed this creation he exclaimed that it was "good". He endowed man with innumerable gifts if you will. Man has perverted a host of them. He gifted us reasoning and intellect and yet many of us are more inclined toward our lower, base nature. He gifted us with sex for the sole purpose of procreation and that we may enjoy the labor of it. We've taken this most treasured gift and perverted it! We've made it a nasty, unclean thing. We've accomplished this in a variety of ways. Modifying its intended purpose has had a tremendous effect on our communities and in our lives - and not necessarily for the good, hence the subject of this thread.
As for this idea thrown around earlier that permanent bonding can only result from mongamy I have to respectfully disagree. Please understand that western society with its exclusive embrace of monogamy, can in its own right further destabilize. The concept of one man one woman is mathematically unsound based on the birthrate ratio, taking into consideration the mortality rate dispropotionately affecting males throughout every life stage - come on yall. Compound those figures with the same sex stats and the results are dizzying.
Whether one is hetero or homo... if you're not producing or in a relationship that is life-giving or life-sustaining you are masterbating, period dot! All this behavior that we see around us is mostly about feeling good without producing a damn thing.
Whew! Sorry, had to get that off.
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I dont know if masturbation, by anyone's definition, is truly self-annihalation. Most of us has agreed that we've had some "masturbation" time before doing what was "right". Hell, as you've posted, even Diddy, who has produced several times, seems to want to turn his life around.
So perhaps our real demise is in parents raising kids on the scare tactics like: "use a condom so you dont get aids" or "wait until marriage because because fornication is a sin" or "wait until you're much older because you dont want to struggle the way I did"
Instead maybe we should FOCUS on raising daughters and sons that have a love and respect and yearning for raising a family,for creating life, for being masters of life. If anything I think that has been perhaps your most powerful message DV.
I know a young man who told me that he has little intention of ever getting married. He also has no desire to have children. I know he may (or may not, lord) be the norm but it's scary to think of a day when most men think this way.
I told him that a man who felt that way obviously saw no reason to see any resemblance of himself on earth after death. That he was not worth recreating. Probably really mean to say but I wanted to get in his head...
Anyway, I had the opportunity to meet his family. Very telling... His mother was pregnant with him at a very young age. She and his father had a nasty break up and she was single for a while. They never really lived comfortably until recently. She met and married well and now has an infant by this new husband. The day I visited she told her son that she agreed that he was not ready to wed because he didn't yet understand what it meant to be a good husband.
I disagree with your equating the scare tatic saying "use a condom so you dont get aids" and the well repeated "wait until marriage because fornication is a sin". The former is a fairytale warning from the science god that is really a eugenic ploy amongst other things used AGAINST people to fuel an elitist agenda that involves reducing birthrates and increasing fear of and dependence on the global health organisations and the latter is a real warning(born from love) from the sovereign God and who's practical application actually makes good natural and spiritual sense while at the same time promoting true societal health and balance.
The third statement of yours "wait until you're much older because you dont want to struggle the way I did" is actually evidence of the explicit and implicit attacks on marriage and the family that has increased certainly from the industrial age, because, to support a family these days takes so much financial effort, amongst other things. It has been made very difficult to raise a family comfortably and this factors into peoples marriage decisions and schedules, "education" is also one, it is no coincidence it takes the best part of your youthful years. Marriage used to occur much earlier, we are moulded by industry to stay like boys and girls and not fathers and mothers until industry gives us permission....what you are seeing and have been seeing is an attack on all the foundations of a good marriage and hence a good family, and hence a good relationship with God. it is no coincidence, it takes a fortuneto house oneself let alone ones spouse and family. The need for both parents to work, again, was an implicit attack on the maintaining of a strong family and formation of new ones by younger members of society. We should soberly look at what EXACLY hinders families new and old, and their propagation. As for the young man in your example, clearly he didn't want to marry based on the home life he experienced, had his family been strong and not beset on all sides by financial, socially engineered cultural pressures and societies general desire to do the opposite or only part of what their creator wanted them to do cannot be overlooked at all.
"The former is a fairytale warning from the science god"
Yes but regardless of its origin and validity, it is an argument regurgitated by "educated" families in hopes of scaring their children sexless.
"the latter is a real warning(born from love) from the sovereign God and who's practical application actually makes good natural and spiritual sense while at the same time promoting true societal health and balance."
And you get all that from:
"I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."??
It's fear based as I find no passages about love infused anywhere.
At any rate, spiritual law or warnings are just that;they havent changed. However the times, as you've stated, have. Why not let the bible speak for itself and actually relay some real parental or familial love by offering evidence of the value that is committing your life to family?
Okay...enuff of the scientific dysection of human sexuality.. and should I have more than one mate..polygamous situations dont work for everybody...some brothers have the power to " handle" more than one mate (female let me emphasize) but the reality is most brothers cant handle ONE! Relationships should be about establishing a family unit and creating an institution that maintains for generations..it is not about extra feel good pussy on the side..it is about committment and being responsible for your relationship(s)..It would make more sense than dealing with a marriage system which is a scam leading to divorce rates which are ridiculous...Sisters have to realize and demand that a man is upfront about how he wants to deal with his relationship and not play this "I am going to act like I dont know as long as he takes care of business "right here". If sisters need the "She's Gotta Have it approach they have to make sure the brothers know what they are getting into. Its all about honesty, trust,communication, and "keeping it 100". A relationship is one of the most challenging situations in life...the problem is... it is never taught and the models in front of us are "bogus". I could have an EMPIRE if these "sistahs would cooperate"...good luck to any of you involved in any relationship its more than a notion..take it from me ..I'm Dr. Love!!(LOL)
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