Monday, June 14, 2010

BLACKNESS

14 comments:

Big Man said...

Can't hate on dude's shotmaking prowess.

But, it looks like he's about to lose to an inferior squad.

Was that a slick comment on blackness, or just an unintended coincidence?

Denmark Vesey said...

I don't know about all of that Big Man.

You know how we do.

You know another cat Blacker with a ball in his hand ... post a link:

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DMG said...

Wilt Chamberlain

"During his career, his dominance precipitated many rules changes. These rules changed included widening the lane, instituting offensive goaltending and revising rules governing inbounding the ball and shooting free throws (Chamberlain would leap with the ball from behind the foul line to deposit the ball in the basket).

No other player in NBA history has spawned so many myths nor created such an impact. It's difficult to imagine now, with the seemingly continuing surge of bigger skilled players, the effect of playing against Chamberlain, who was not only taller and stronger than almost anyone he matched up against but remarkably coordinated as well. A track and field star in high school and college, Chamberlain stood 7-1 and was listed at 275 pounds, though he filled out and added more muscle as his career progressed and eventually played at over 300 pounds."

Denmark Vesey said...

Boom.

Gotta give you that one D.

Wilt.

Black as it gets.

Big Man said...

If we going historical, coulda just hollered at Mike.

'Cause Kobe ain't there yet...

But, my point was, what does it say about his blackness that he's losing to a team with inferior talent? And that he just might lose the whole series to them?

How does that tie into the larger discussion of "blackness" and the war you often state is raging in the real world?

Anonymous said...

I'm not a fan of either team but I know hiqh quality bball and a group of OG's when I see 'em.

inferior talent?

r u kidding? Did u play?

Starters: Celtics
Bench: Celtics
Defense: Celtics
One great shotmaker: LA
Length: LA
Youth:LA
Experience: Celtics
Heart: Celtics
Energy: Celtics
Ball Movement: Celtics
Coaching: Wash (even tho Phx outcoached LA also I'll let Phil slide)

Odom and Artest are liabilities.

Even with home court LA is SUPPOSED TO lose not the other way around. They can still get the next two games but I wouldn't head to vegas with that bet.

KP

Anonymous said...

KP killed that! I second that all day. I don't know where Big Man gets Celtics = Inferior Talent? Fix your TV!

Big Man said...

Y'all arguing about who is playing better as a team, I'm arguing about who is more talented.

1-6, Lakers have more talent.

Fisher, Artest, Bynum, Gasol and Kobe, are a better starting five as far as talent than what the Celtics trot out there. Odom has more talent than any player on Boston's bench.


That doesn't mean they are better players. Vince Carter had and still has more talent than almost anybody in the league. TMac too.

But, it takes more than talent.

Also, coming into the series the most folks believed that if the Lakers and Boston both played up to their potential, the Lakers were the better team.

The problem is that outside of Game 1, the Lakers have rarely played up to their potential.

So, when I said inferior, I meant the talent gap between the Lakers and Boston, not how each team has played. I hope that cleared it up, and if you disagree with me, so be it.

Denmark Vesey said...

"So, when I said inferior, I meant the talent gap between the Lakers and Boston, not how each team has played."



I know what you meant Big Man.

And you still wrong.

Fisher more talented than Rondo?

Gasol more talented than Garnett?

Bynum more talented than Big Baby?

Odom more talented than Pierce?

Artest more talented than Rasheed?

Come on Bra.

Don't let them white boys on ESPN gas you up.

Big Man said...

Ain't nobody gassed me up. At this point in their careers as far as talent I got:

Rondo > Fisher
Kobe > Ray
Pierce > Artest
Gasol = KG
Bynum > Perkins
Odom > Sheed.

Now, basketball, like life, is all about maximizng talent. People forget that for the first three games of this series Gasol was eating KG's lunch. The forget that Artest had folks talking about him locking Pierce up. And they forget that Bynum put up 20/10 and that Odom while slumming has averaged nearly a double/double for the playoffs.

Talent wise, the Lakers 1-6 are a better team. Boston has an advantage because they play with more heart and they are more likely to maximize their talent. Plus, their defensive effort is great and their bench is playing better.

If you want to go analysis for analysis I can breakdown each matchup and explain why I think a certain player is better or worse as far as talent. I could also break down how they fit into the team concept when playing up to their potential.

The truth is L.A. has failed to play up to its potential. If cats don't see that, then they don't see it.

Anonymous said...

Its alright BM. Fanhood clouds the truth.

Orlando was better with Turkoglu. VC is in sharp decline. Peep his 2010 playoff numbers. T-Mac only plays offense and he's too tall and skilled not to add more value to his team through assists and rebs. You can have both of em. Go ahead and get Mitch Kupchak to snag one of em and you'll wish you'd paid Ariza like you were supposed to. That man one yall a chip last year with defense, clutch steals, stretching the D with 3's and finishes at the rim then you turn around and try to belittle his contribution. Imagine plugging him in when Odom goes M.I.A. Pls bruh.

KP

Big Man said...

KP

1. I don't like L.A. My pops raised me a Lakers hater, so I'm actually pulling for the Celtics.

2. Last night's result have some insight into what I was talking about. When the Lakers play up to their potential, they are a problem.

3. Ariza was what he was. A decent role player who has struggled to do exactly what Ron Artest did quite well last year in Houston.
Do you remember the problems Ron gave the Lakers in the playoffs even without Yao? Do you remember what Ron did to the Spurs in Sacramento? That's what Mitch was thinking about when he copped Ron, but unfortunately Ron has struggled to acclimate to the triangle and his confidence has dropped. I still think Artest is a better player and better fit than Ariza.

Vince and T-Mac are victims of failing to work hard and show grit. They had all the tools, except for the mental ones.

Anonymous said...

I hear u big man.

The Lakers gave the Lakers probs vs Houston last year. Nothing else.

I agree about the mental tools for VC and Mac.

Last night was more about LA fearing embarrassment at home and the C's failing to enter the game with the intense focus that accompanies an ON THE ROAD CHAMPIONSHIP closeout mentality.

KP

Big Man said...

I don't know KP.

There is a Lakers fan on a blog I visit, The Starting Five, that swears that when the Lakers match Boston's intensity, the can't be stopped.

Personally, I think that if every Laker plays at top potential, they have more talent and should win. However, I also understand that it's quite rare for every player to play that way.

I wanted the Celtics to win in the seven, but I couldn't make that prediction at the start of the series. I just predicted that it would go seven because it's very difficult to predict which team will show grit and execution on a game-by-game basis.

I expect Boston to bounce back and make Game 7 tough, but it will come down to which team it able to get shots in their offense and which team can frustrate the other squad's offense. Without Perkins, Boston may have some more problems because of a lack of depth.

I'm just happy for a good series.