makheru bradley said...
DV, until proven otherwise, I say you’re obsessed with Jews.Obviously I have not read everything you’ve written, but in the short period of time I’ve spent reading your blog, I’ve never once seen you mention the religious affiliation of the people who started the Trans-Atlantic enslavement of Afrikans, capitalism, imperialism, colonialism or apartheid. All of these systems have had a far more devastating impact on Afrikan people over the past 500 years than communism.
What is the significance of the religious affiliation of the people who started communism, compared to these other systems?
Professor Martin Expands Kay Dub's Paradigm
(Start at 10:02 mark)
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I'm not saying Jews didn't have a role in the African holocaust, but I got some things to ask & say abt the extent of involvement (and y'all know better than to even suggest I'm stanning for Ashkenazi & Sephardic Jews).
The Dutch West India company was the brainchild of William Usselincx and its original board of directors included Dutch merchants like Kiliaen van Rensselaer and Michael Reyniersz Pauw. The entire board were Calvinists from Flanders, without a Jewish connection.
At this time, Jews were less than 1% of the Dutch population, majority were poor and those who had an investment in the Dutch West India Company had a small investment of about $10 000 in total which in comparison to the Calvinist shareholders was nothing.
If anyone knows otherwise please, post a link - otherwise checkout the book by Saul Friedman.
Apart from Surinam and Curacao, where else did the European Jews dominate as plantation masters?
And when exactly did Jews become the main slavetraders, if the population of European Jews had always been in the minority?
And at the time of the slave trade the European Jews had been expelled from Spain and then only recently let back into England - poverty, resettlement n all n all - so when did they get on the ins and dominate the whole thing?
And the Hamitic curse - I don't know what the early writings of the Rabbis say, but I put that on the racial interpretations of Early Christian writings.
The chief architects of the myth of Ham during modernity were writers like John Speke and CG Seliman who were not Jews. So which Jews is Tony Martin talking 'bout that I'm not hip to?
DV,
Prof Martin Expands Kay Dub's Paradigm - now that's real cute! Love the personal touch - hollaaaa!
...But real talk, this is some baaaasic stuff - I skipped the intro and the first 20mins is really just History of Slavery 101 - I'm postdoc, Magne, come with something beta.
Your boy Tony Martin doesn't really answer my kwestins or in some cases makes interpretive claims and has plays the noname, nosource, nodates game quite well. I should try that out sometime.
But since its still cool to show your intellect on DV.net, here's my challenge to you or whoever co-signs:
Prof Tony doesn't name which early Rabbinic scholars exactly read that as a racial inference. Names and texts, plse.
34:40-34:55 After giving a long schpeel about what the Talmud says, he says 'somewhere along the line, somebody came up with the idea the descendents of Ham were African'. Nice if you're talking basics, but I'm looking for beta, people, beta.
Tell me if John Speke, Cesare Ripa and 'em were Jewish or tell me 'bout prominent Jewish Scholars in the Modern Era that also wrote that crap.
37:44 cites a 1970s doctoral thesis by Harold Brackman as basis to make his links to the Jews - I don't wanna know about Brackman, original sources plse.
47:42 Dutch West India Co. Again your boy got no names - just nicely placed in the context of Jews and Slavery so its easy to make claims like the Jews owned ships and Jews owned 25% of shares but which Jews and when? That's a highly inflated figure, if y'can prove it excellent, bring it.
Curacao and Suriname - co-sign. Notice how the names and references to works at the time start coming out. ; )
54:46 what's the name of the Jewish researcher that's done research on the U.S in 1830? I haven't read Tony Martin's book.
The first US Census abt 40 years before showed there were about 1500Jews out of 70000 Whites at the time - is there other research that shows otherwise?
Sure, Aaron Nunez & Jacob Rivera are well known.
Brazil: I'm no expert, but I've a friend working in this area, first to colonize Brazil were the Portuguese then the Dutch came and conquered the northern parts of the country.
The Jews and Dutch established the first sugar plantations, but then the Portuguese fought the Dutch and reconquered all of Brazil. At this point the Jews left to find more lucrative ventures.
The Jews played an instrumental role in the Dutch and British Caribbean slavery as commercial agents - some of which Tony Martin refers to in that vid.
...Holla at y'girl when PostDoc Fellowships are in season. ; )
Nice try DV, but this Tony Martin tangent will not rescue you from that slippery slope of “Jewish-obsession.”
What is the significance of the religious affiliation of the people who started communism, compared to these other systems?
As regards Dr. Martin, he is a respected Afrikan-centered scholar, particularly for his research on the Honorable Marcus Garvey and the Garvey Movement. I have a copy of Dr. Martin’s book “The Jewish Onslaught” in front of me. I understand the bone he has to pick with Dr. Mary Lefkowitz and the people who attacked him and tried to get him fired for simply having “Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews" on the reading list for his African American History course in 1993.
The attack on Dr. Martin in the 1990s was part of a MSM assault on several Afrikan-centered scholars which as assisted by negroes like Skip Gates and others. White supremacy is constructed on a foundation of myths. Scholarship which explodes the pillars of white supremacy causes the entire system to wobble, thus the assault on Dr. Martin, Dr. Clarke, Dr. Ben, etc.
Interestingly, as regards the issue of Jews, Dr. Martin was not specifically focused on them in his earlier scholarship. Of the NAACP, in “Marcus Garvey, Hero,” Dr. Martin simply says it was founded by white liberals.
Dr. Martin also has an interesting note on the CPUSA in that same book:
“UNIA international conventions were always open to fraternal delegates from other organizations and so in 1921, the communist-dominated African Blood Brotherhood sent some representatives. These Black communists then brought a white woman to address the convention (imagine that DV, a white woman addressing a Garvey convention). She (no name mentioned) told them that Russia, like the UNIA, desired to free Africa. The UNIA, she said, would be welcome in Moscow. She then called on Marcus to come out in support of the communist program, but he politely declined to commit himself. He had no special hostility towards the communist program, and he praised (gasp, DV) the Russian revolutionary leaders, V.I. Lenin and Leon Trotsky (don’t choke on your pinto beans DV, I know this hurts, Garvey praising a Communist Jew). But he felt strongly that Africans should be a strong, self-reliant force in the world and not merely an appendage to someone else’s struggle.” P 103, Marcus Garvey, Hero: A first biography.
As regards the Trans-Atlantic enslavement of Afrikans, I’m not particularly interested in separating white supremacist enslavers by their religion. White Catholics, Protestants and Jews were all involved in this crime against Afrkian humanity.
"What is the significance of the religious affiliation of the people who started communism, compared to these other systems?" Mak Brad
The "religious affiliation" of the people who started communism is not significant at all.
Understanding that Communism was as much a Jewish movement as Civil Rights was a Jewish movement is necessary to escape the Plantation Negro treadmill of outsourced historical narratives.
The religion of the men who financed and orchestrated the global trade of human cargo is of no more significanct than the color of their eyes.
Their IDENTITY is critically important.
Your failure to understand and appreciate this common denominator is why your understanding of what happens today is so limited.
What is really significant ... Brother Makheru ... is your obedience to the memetic taboo of even questioning the role Jews in anything.
You will point the figure of blame at white peasants who were eating dirt during the slave era, but hear no evil speak no evil when it comes to the identity of the International Bankers who enslaved people then and do so today.
Despite all of the Bone-in-the-Nose black nationalism and channeling of Malcolm you stay in your memetic place.
If Jewish Holocaust Survivors received Billion$ from Swiss bankers for their role in finance much of the Nazi efforts, why cannot Black Holocaust survivors receive money from the Jewish bankers who financed the Trans-Atlantic slave trade?
"The attack on Dr. Martin in the 1990s was part of a MSM assault on several Afrikan-centered scholars which as assisted by negroes like Skip Gates and others." MB
LOL
"a MSM assault".
LOL!
What exactly was so "MAIN STREAM" about the perpetrators of this "assault" MB?
(Boy. They got you trained)
Kaaaaaay Duuuub!
"I'm postdoc, Magne, come with something beta."
LOL.
Now you KNOW I like that. Good one.
But ... let's keep it real Sista.
Professor Tony Martin was postdoc when you were prenatal.
If you want to get into a Footnote Contest with him ... be my guest.
Many highly motivated people with more resources than you and I have attempted to discredit the brother and his research only to fail time after time.
I like what he had to say here:
" I was unaware of Zundel until his people asked me to appear as an expert witness for him. I read the materials they sent me from his website, including a pamphlet (I think the title was something like, "Did Six Million Really Die?") which he had apparently republished, if I remember right. I stated in my brief to the tribunal that I had never studied the Jewish holocaust and had no basis for an opinion one way or another on the numbers involved. But the pamphlet seemed to me to fall within the normal range of scholarly revisionism. I pointed out that revisionism is at the very core of the historical profession and it seemed unwise to persecute people for differing historical analysis.
I was of course acutely aware of our own situation, where other historians have been whittling away with impunity at estimates of the numbers of victims of the Transatlantic slave trade. I was also mindful of the unprecedented announcement of the American Historical Association in the mid-1990s, that Jews were only marginally involved in the African slave trade.
This was at the behest of three influential Jewish members of the American Historical Association. This tendency to decree historical interpretation from on high, rather than letting contending views compete in the marketplace of ideas I find very alarming.[23] "
The point that both you and Brother Mekheru are either missing or pretending not to see is that our perceptions of WHO was involved in the Trans-Atlantic slave trade and to what extent ... has been largely MANAGED.
The role that Jews played in the slave trade has been spoon fed to us rather than coming to us as a product of "contending views competing in the marketplace of ideas".
Just like the roles of Jews in the Civil Rights movement has been spoon-fed to us as purely altruistic and never self-serving.
Brother Makheru's public parroting of the 'anti-Semite card' disappoints me as much as the Plantation Negros who ran to their masters to reveal escape plots of slaves yearning to be free.
DV,
Bamm!
"You will point the figure of blame at white peasants who were eating dirt during the slave era, but hear no evil speak no evil when it comes to the identity of the International Bankers who enslaved people then and do so today."
Thank you-
Why is it that your "peeps" keep on arguing for every group( communist, jewish, etc.) of not having any agenda of the "International Bankers" (who they are and how they work, etc.) against the attempted elimination of the darker non European people?
Why do they assume that these folks are so benevolent to us and that we are not being "conned" into another agenda?
DV, really Bra?
Is it really that hard to see to see the invisible hand and follow the playbook over the last 200 years?
I mentioned what happen to Zundel on another thread and how he got 5 years for just question the 6 million number and his explanation who was behind that and the Headfake in Germany (same Cats above) was not good enough.
Like I said, you got the patience of a saint bra in getting your folks to let go of their enslavers meme. I guess history is not scripted by these(International Bankers) people.
I guess 20 years from now some white guy who is "all in" like MB will be debating on a blog somewhere how some Iraqis attacked us on 9-11 and we had to kick their butt along with Islam because of that.
ps- 911 will also be a national holiday too:).
"Despite all of the Bone-in-the-Nose black nationalism and channeling of Malcolm you stay in your memetic place."
lol, most moegoe kaffir online.
What we secretly don't want to admit:
All Religions including the three "major" Religions, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, have been overtaken by "White Supremacy" Racists.
Ask somebody.
DV
"Professor Tony Martin was postdoc when you were prenatal."
ROFL, great comeback, Bra! Now that's real talk!
"The point that both you and Brother Mekheru are either missing or pretending not to see is that our perceptions of WHO was involved in the Trans-Atlantic slave trade and to what extent ... has been largely MANAGED."
As with all things on the Plantation truth is never told. But in our independent and collective pursuits of truth(s), let us not elide over the evils of all Crackers.
Knowing what I know of Jewish involvement, much as may I dispute some of what Prof Martin has to say, does not mean I don't realise how Babylon works. While there may be competing and suppressed histories, the Babylon of present is also full of competing forces that dominate the world - bankers, multinational corps.
We can debate whether all of them sing from the same Zionist hymnsheet but that doesn't change their hegemonic nature, nor that its the same game, different tactics and different players...while we quibble abt the players of then and now, its still the same game.
Aside from that I don't understand is why as Plantation free thinkers we still have the same binaristic approach to things its either / or, never a multiplicity of Plantation free perspectives or complex positionalities.
Granted its a way of challenging how others think, but sometimes it also defeatist and contradictory of what off-Plantation thinking is meant to mean. How then do we pursue truth(s) if the default impulse towards anything alternative to what one believes is labelled Plantation?
I'll keep playing 'footnote contests' with whoever's perspective I'm not feeling. And I'm not saying the Jews weren't in on the Dutch East India Company, but DWIC I don't know about all that. Anyway, much respect to Tony Martin for challenging the establishment.
...one
Eugene Terreblanche,
moggie - LOL! But you're a moffie, you shld be in some necrophilic gay orgy.
BTW: Ordinarily you wouldn't say moggie and kaffir in the same line, but I get you tho, lol.
The greatest threat to historical truth is not ignorance. It is people who think that they know a subject but they have either partial knowledge or they are totally misinformed on that subject.
(Boy. They got you trained)—DV
Extrapolations are the domain of those with partial knowledge. For the record I was trained first and foremost by the young Black radicals who began to address what they called “The Palestine Problem,” (a SNCC internal memo which was leaked to the MSM) in 1967.
The memo states in part:
[That the US Government has constantly supported Israel and Zionism by sending military and financial aid to this illegal state ever since it was forced upon the Arabs in 1948? ‘That the Zionist terror gangs (Haganah, Irgun, and Stern gangs) deliberately slaughtered and mutilated women, children and men, thereby causing the unarmed Arabs to panic, flee, and leave their homes in the hands of the Zionist-Israeli forces? ‘That the famous European Jews, the Rothschild’s, who have long controlled the wealth of many European nations, were involved in the original conspiracy to create the ‘State of Israel’ and are still among Israel’s chief supporters? That the Rothschild’s also control much of Africa’s mineral wealth?’
This article was accompanied by photographs of members of pre-1948 Zionist terrorist groups, as well as Arab civilians killed en masse by Israeli soldiers in 1956. These pictures were accompanied by a caption which noted: “This is the Gaza Strip, Palestine, not Dachau, Germany.” Another cartoon image can be seen of a hand with a six pointed star and a dollar sign on it, holding a hangman’s rope around the necks of Gamal Abdul Nasser, late president of Egypt, and Muhammad Ali, former black heavy weight boxing champion. An arm labeled “Third World Movements” is poised to cut the rope.]
Every organization that I’ve been associated with supported the just struggle of the Palestinian people against the Zionist state of Israel. On several blogs, I’ve previously stated that: “Israel is a nation constructed on a foundation of the theft of indigenous peoples land, and brutal oppression, and it operates on the basis of apartheid.”
Stay away from extrapolations brah man.
Brother Makheru's public parroting of the 'anti-Semite card' disappoints me as much as the Plantation Negros who ran to their masters to reveal escape plots of slaves yearning to be free.—DV
Brother Makheru considers anti-Semitism to be a pseudo-scientific term which is basically used to stifle criticism of Zionism. My focus is on historical truth, which is the only reason I’ve challenged your propagandistic assertions such as: “Martin Luther King at Communist Training School,” and “From Marx to Lenin to Trotsky to Stalin the leaders of communism were as Jewish as were the leaders of the Civil Rights movement.” The people who use the term anti-Semitism to defend their violations of Palestinian human rights are anti-historical truth. DV is the opposite side of the same coin.
The religion of the men who financed and orchestrated the global trade of human cargo is of no more significant than the color of their eyes. Their IDENTITY is critically important.—DV
What is that identity? Specifically, what is DV’s definition of a Jew? I know Dr. Clarke’s position. I’ve heard him articulate it on numerous occasions at ASCAC conferences.
You will point the figure of blame at white peasants who were eating dirt during the slave era, -- DV
I point the blame at the White Supremacy Dynamic. Poor and working class white people have been their tools and their first line of defense. You seem to be implying some type of class struggle, yet you rail against communism?
Despite all of the Bone-in-the-Nose black nationalism and channeling of Malcolm you stay in your memetic place. – DV
“Bone-in the Nose?” Talking about being trained, it obvious that the Tarzan-mentality lives at DV.net.
What exactly was so "MAIN STREAM" about the perpetrators of this "assault" MB?—DV
The attack was launched primarily through the mainstream media, by people like George Will, Charles Krauthammer, and Henry Louis Gates.
If Jewish Holocaust Survivors received Billion$ from Swiss bankers for their role in finance much of the Nazi efforts, why cannot Black Holocaust survivors receive money from the Jewish bankers who financed the Trans-Atlantic slave trade?—DV
Hopefully, you’re not limiting this type of restitution-demand to Jewish bankers. For the record, I’m the former co-chair of the Charlotte chapter of N’COBRA.
OBTW, Skip Gates wants Continental Afrikans to share the blame: “there is very little discussion of the role Africans themselves played. And that role, it turns out, was a considerable one, especially for the slave-trading kingdoms of western and central Africa.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/23/opinion/23gates.html
"But in our independent and collective pursuits of truth(s), let us not elide over the evils of all Crackers.
Knowing what I know of Jewish involvement, much as may I dispute some of what Prof Martin has to say, does not mean I don't realise how Babylon works. While there may be competing and suppressed histories, the Babylon of present is also full of competing forces that dominate the world - bankers, multinational corps." KW
Good stuff.
"We can debate whether all of them sing from the same Zionist hymnsheet but that doesn't change their hegemonic nature" KW
"them" in this case is whom?
"I don't understand is why as Plantation free thinkers we still have the same binaristic approach to things its either / or, never a multiplicity of Plantation free perspectives or complex positionalities." KW
I don't have that approach at all.
The value of appreciating the almost exclusive Jewish financing of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade as documented by Professor Tony Martin, is that it is a healthy acknowledgment of The Truth.
Ignoring that aspect, or glossing over it, or over rationalizing it, or parroting cliches like "Jew Obsession" is to capitulate to the Thought Police who manage Plantation Negro perceptions.
The least racist thing a man can do is to insist everyone play by the same rules.
The image of the Evil White Christian Slave Owning Racist Rapist has been memtically burned into the memories of black people via TV shows, films, books and academia largely produced by Jewish men.
The image of Jewish involvement to the extent that Jews were involved in the African Holocaust has been AIR-BRUSHED from history.
Why must we obediently adhere to this self-imposed Taboo around examining the actions of those that engineered and financed the international trade of human cargo?
What is important is not that these men were Jews ... what is important is that someone made the decision FOR US not to know this.
We have been trained to blame all "WHITE PEOPLE" for everything and no Individual Jews for anything.
Accepting that paradigm is to accept mental servitude.
My focus is on historical truth, which is the only reason I’ve challenged your propagandistic assertions such as: “Martin Luther King at Communist Training School,” MB
I never asserted any such thing.
But since you mention it.
Where was Dr. King in that image?
What kind of "school" would you call it?
"What is that identity? Specifically, what is DV’s definition of a Jew?"
Any man who calls himself a Jew is a Jew.
Obviously.
"Skip Gates wants Continental Afrikans to share the blame:" MB
Skip Gates is a professional ass kisser.
Peep Dr. Clarke. Peep my archives.
Sooooooo .... Brother Makheru.
It took 18 posts to establish that it is not "DV" who is 'Jew Obsessed'.
It is actually Hat-In-Hand Negros scared to utter the word Jew ... who are obsessed with Jews.
I never asserted any such thing.-- DV
You posted a picture titled “Martin Luther King at Communist Training School,” with no disclaimers. That’s either the result of historical carelessness or deliberate misinformation. Either way, it’s white supremacist propaganda.
What kind of "school" would you call it?
The school’s resume speaks for itself.
[Since 1932, Highlander has gathered workers, grassroots leaders, community organizers, educators, and researchers to address the most pressing social, environmental and economic problems facing the people of the South. Highlander sponsors educational programs and research into community problems, as well as a residential Workshop Center for social change organizations and workers active in the South and internationally. Generations of activists have come to Highlander to learn, teach, and prepare to participate in struggles for justice.
Highlander's work is rooted in the belief that in a truly just and democratic society the policies shaping political and economic life must be informed by equal concern for and participation by all people. Guided by this belief, we help communities that suffer from unfair government policies and big-business practices as they voice their concerns and join with others to form movements for change.
Over the course of its history, Highlander has played important roles in many major political movements, including the Southern labor movements of the 1930s, the Civil Rights Movement of the 1940s-60s, and the Appalachian people's movements of the 1970s-80s.]
"Since 1932, Highlander has gathered workers,
grassroots leaders,
community organizers,
educators,
and researchers to address the most pressing social,
environmental and
economic problems"
yada yada yawn.
What a long winded way of saying ... COMMUNIST.
Mak B. If it is true ... it's not propaganda.
MLK was attending classes hosted by "communists".
Rosa Parks was trained by "communists".
After 50 years 99% of black people still don't know / appreciate that.
Who made the decision to keep that info from them and why?
DV
"We have been trained to blame all "WHITE PEOPLE" for everything and no Individual Jews for anything." DV
"We", who? Black Americans?
Or "We" - Inhabitants of the Global Plantation - yea, but that aint 'we'. That's who Tony Martin is preaching to, but he doesn't have to push kwestionable tings as truth when evidence of the Jews in The Caribbean and as economic merchants in the US e.a.s.i.l.y smashes the myth of Jewish innocence.
Your dirt eating White folks get my sympathy but honestly I'm checking for Brown, Red (Caribs & Native Am) and Black peoples' presence/absences within the TransAtlantic narrative.
I'll say this DV and let it go. MLK visited Highlander only once. Even Hoover's FBI confirms this. The picture you posted is from that visit in 1957. MLK was not there to attend classes. He was there to give a speech. The picture was taken either before or after he delivered that speech.
If you believe that Dr. King and Mrs. Parks were communists, I'll keep that mdw dw in mind during future discussions.
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