DONALD G. McNEIL Jr.
December 15, 2009
The maker of the vaccine, Sanofi-Aventis, voluntarily recalled 800,000 doses of low-dose, thimerosal-free vaccine in prefilled syringes intended for infants between 6 and 35 months old, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said.
Since most of the vaccine was released a month ago, it has presumably already been used, but the recall is intended to alert doctors to return any supplies they have left.
Sasha said ...
Yesterday, a friend of mine asked me if I had gotten the swine flu vaccine for my son yet. I said, "Hell no." He said, "Seriously? My son got it." I said, "Why?" He shrugged and said, " 'They' said to. Doctors are taking it. I put 100% faith in doctors and I do whatever they say. I don't know anything about medicine." I looked at him like he had just fallen out of a spaceship. [Roflmao] I said, "But you know your son better than anyone. You know how to stay healthy and about hygiene. If someone poured the ingredients of the vaccine in a glass and told your son to drink it, there is no way you would allow that. But because someone in a white coat says 'stick this needle in his arm,' you trust that??" I never got a response from my friend, an attorney with a masters degree......
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So are you going to give a link to this story, or give us a hint to WHY they VOLUNTARILY recalled that lot of vaccine?
Of course not. Sensational headlines is what you provide. You hope people DON'T think to ask why.
Here MOTI, let me help you out. I won't use an article, I'll use your gold standard for reliable information...a random internet search.
"According to the agency's Web site, Sanofi has notified the CDC and Food and Drug Administration that routine quality-assurance testing showed four lots of the children's vaccine had lost some of their potency. As a result, Sanofi is requesting that health-care providers return any unused vaccine from the specific lots."
Read the rest
So they recalled it because it was...wait for it...not strong enough.
I thought an anti-vaccine person like you would be protesting against the recall.
DMG,
Not to play human shield, but let me let you in on a dirty little secret - one that they teach lawyers from almost Day 1 of law school. No company - and I mean NO COMPANY - voluntarily recalls a product just because, out of the kindness of their hearts, they suspect it might not be potent enough.
I know that sounds good and makes for a great press release, but that's not reality.
In fact, since these people can't get sued, they have ZERO incentive to voluntarily recall anything.
What probably happened - in real life - is that there were a bunch of hot lots that were seriously messing up babies. Rather than risk the bad P.R. that's threatening an already failing scare campaign, the CDC allowed them the cover story of a recall - which is largely pointless since most of the units were already used - and this becomes the meme.
If you haven't read the Pinto case sometime, it would be quite instructive for you Doc.
RJEsq, Sasha - your thoughts on this?
"What probably happened - in real life - is that there were a bunch of hot lots that were seriously messing up babies."
In law school, what do they call that sentence you just wrote?
That's some serious devotion II.
II:
I agree with you. I read the article yesterday and all I could say to myself was, "yeah, right...WHATEVER."
Yesterday, a friend of mine asked me if I had gotten the swine flu vaccine for my son yet. I said, "Hell no." He said, "Seriously? My son got it." I said, "Why?" He shrugged and said, " 'They' said to. Doctors are taking it. I put 100% faith in doctors and I do whatever they say. I don't know anything about medicine." I looked at him like he had just fallen out of a spaceship. I said, "But you know your son better than anyone. You know how to stay healthy and about hygiene. If someone poured the ingredients of the vaccine in a glass and told your son to drink it, there is no way you would allow that. But because someone in a white coat says 'stick this needle in his arm,' you trust that??" I never got a response from my friend, an attorney with a masters degree......
Doc,
You don't even know what you are saying anymore. But here is the Ford Pinto Case in case you were having trouble finding it.
Tell me Doc, how long did Merck leave Vioxx on the market with the knowledge that it increased the risk of heart attack?
Sasha, isn't it stunning how lawyers can be more close-minded than doctors? It's mind-boggling to me.
I had a similar conversation with a lawyer friend of mine and told him that if he had a trial over the vaccine issue and had to prepare the issue the way a trial lawyer would, he would never ever ever allow his kids to be injected with that nasty crap again. He laughed, said maybe, and said that he wouldn't go against his family of doctors.
II,
Oh, you are getting really boring with this irrational fear and loathing of vaccinations.
Do you have evidence that "What probably happened - in real life - is that there were a bunch of hot lots that were seriously messing up babies"?
Yes or No?
On what do you base your accusation? Prior predudice?
"But because someone in a white coat says 'stick this needle in his arm,' you trust that??"
But Sasha, you'd believe some dude without any understanding of the human body, but has a blog for your health information?
Amazing. Such critical thinkers.
Give it a rest. The two of you.
Sigh...DMG. If you only seek to attack everyone here for their points of view, why the hell do you come here? Because the bottom line is that you don't contribute shit. Your tantrums and disdain for independent thought are more noise than actual discussion.
I did not avoid the H1N1 vaccine because "DV said so." There isn't a human being that I trust more than own my mother and I wouldn't get the H1N1 vaccine even if she begged me to. I didn't need a blog to make that call. (No disrespect, DV...) :-)
I didn't get the vaccine because the shit didn't make sense. For some reason (perhaps your therapist knows), you see a critique of your profession as being a personal attack of YOU. You cannot separate yourself from your job. Trust me, I know what it's like to have people think that what you do for a living isn't shit. I deal with it every day. But I have to go to work. You come to this site by choice. So get over it.
Honestly, I personally have nothing against doctors. I have a lot of trust and respect for my personal physician. I have taken medication he has prescribed. I am not anti-medication. (I just administered antibiotics to my son last week) But what you fail to appreciate is that trust/respect is NOT synonymous with blind faith. I do not have to accept every single word out of my doctor's mouth as the absolute gospel just because he wears a white coat. This is why words like "advice", "recommendation," or "opinion" are used. People have an obligation to themselves to think independently.
Sasha,
My disagreeing with you isn't an attack. If you two decide to show up with a decent argument instead of this knee-jerk conspiracy theory stuff, I'd engage you. But you don't.
"Because the bottom line is that you don't contribute shit."
And lines like this confirm that you are living in a fantasy world somewhere...happy to jump in front of bullet's for your man. You are like Ivy's driver/girlfriend in
Deep Cover (rent it, she's the chick with the funny hat driving the convertible). No matter the absurdity, you are willing to jump in...without thought. Nobody is asking you about if you trust a physicians opinion or not. Or are you one of those patients who actually thinks you are punishing ME by not following advice? The patient is the one with the disease, keep it moving if you don't want to follow advice, and don't waste my time. You'll get a bill either way. And since you don't know me...when I walk out of the door, I forget patients and colleagues names and faces until I walk back in. It's a job dear, but I thank you for your pop psychology eval.
By the way, I really don't care if you got the vaccine or not. It's your choice. If it's based on irrational fear, rather than the facts surrounding your situation, it's a stupid choice.
Nobody came to your house banging on your door. YOU decided to chime in. Do you have a valid argument for our hosts assertion that this particular lot of vaccine is "hurting children". Yes or No?
If no, then why are you wasting my time?
DMG ... The Plantation MD.
First Sista Nurse is protecting "her man".
Sasha was protecting "her man".
Something was wrong with Stylistic MF when she laughed in your face.
The chick from Sand Diego who kicked you to the curb was reinvented as a person who "watched too much BET and wanted a thug".
Peep the pattern?
There must ALWAYS be something "wrong" with people who disagree with DMG.
One can't simply arrive at a different conclusion. One can't happen to agree with quite a few other people who came to the same conclusion. Noooo. Something must be wrong with them.
To disagree with DMG is to be ...lol ... irrational.
To shun "facts".
To be "illogical".
This comes from a man who STILL has monkey virus juice dripping down his nose protecting him from a pandemic that never actually occurred.
Like a loyal lap dog ... DMG serves as a knee-jerk apologist for giant pharmaceutical companies (preemptively granted legal IMMUNITY for damages caused by their products) by swallowing their propaganda WITHOUT QUESTION.
Despite the long track record of lying and dangerous products released by pharmaceutical giants.
No one here is further removed from the facts, logic and truth than our resident Plantation MD.
What you thought you were the only fucking idiot on this planet?
None of you want to address the question. You want to go off on some unrelated tangent.
(Pssst...MOTI, I think what you wrote above is an actual example of "argumentum ad hominem")
Any of you all fearless enough to answer my yes or no questions?
Thought not.
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