Wow! It is predictable, but always surprising how Black men can despise an authentic Black woman whose gene pool isn’t mixed with any ‘other’. Serena Williams wins Wimbledons and yet loses during mating season because God made her dark with an athletic build. That ongoing joke about ‘dark or light skin being in’ well dark skin has never been in when it comes to dark Black women. Interesting comment DV, disappointing at best. The Blackest man in America loves him the lightest women…that’s allowed.
I think the sistas are beautiful...and their beauty does not minimize mine in any way. I am brown like chocolate cake batter, my hair is loc'd and dyed to match the color of rich mohogany..brown eyes, 5 feet tall, 145(yeah, I am thick in all the right places)....my great gramndmother was white. But u cannot tell my looking at me(well maybe my hair gives a hint)...I adore my blackness and all those who share this wonderful swagger called Negro.....including thi sistas in the photo. WE ARE AFICAN AMERICAN.
Hey RJ! What's up? U know...I hope DV likes who likes him...no matter light or dark.. I am beautiful. I do not require anyone to confirm that. I bet u are beautiful too...
Hell ya'll... Stop giving DV grief... you would think he posted Heidi Klum... Seal's wife up there or something. Those are beautiful young ladies. Remember black is not a color. It's an experience. I know some really dark skinned girls who act whiter than Paris Hilton... So don't get it twisted.
DV, relax. I was messing with you. As you may know, I dont subscribe to the light/dark thing. My skin and hair are such that I dont have a dog in that fight. Never really have.
That was actually me who posted the question about whether these girls are in fact light skinned. Thats not how I would describe them.
Like Nurse, I love me, that's all I can do.
I agree with you that some folks project their own feelings on the issue on to others. But I am equally aware that in general, the light/dark issue does exist and is not some always a figment (sp) of some dark skinned chick's imagination.
I'm actually surprised that you didnt take Wayne's approach, i.e., own whatever you find to be beautiful and say "it is what is." But looking back, I guess you did that.
I suggest we call a square a square and a circle a circle.
Is "big nose" synonymous with dark?
I don't think so.
In fact, dear Robyn, I believe knee-jerk associations of dark with unattractive features creates a psychological booby trap that perpetuates what you appear to protest.
" I believe knee-jerk associations of dark with unattractive features creates a psychological booby trap that perpetuates what you appear to protest."
Excellent. Dark as worse has never been my experience either. I'm a dark skinded brotha by all means, and no way in hell would i EVER want to be a light skinded dude. (The skinded was intentional) I'm not so sure that the world prefers dark, but it has certainly worked for me.
" Answer this, how did nappy get to be an "unattractive feature?" "- RJE
RJ, When was nappy ever attractive? Nappy, to me, is unkempt. When was unkempt ever attractive?
Nappy is nappy. Both yall niggaz know damn well what nappy is. Aint no amount of neat gon' take nappy away and you know it Wayne! Now stop all this foolishness.
My point is, while we must proclaim our own beauty, that doesnt erase the american beauty standard that typically embraces lighter skin, straighter hair and thinner/smaller features.
DV is like Frederick Douglass: down for his people but attracted to women that don't look like him because, at the base of things, they most resemble white women. Light skin and straight hair are prerequisites for getting your picture posted on DV's site.
As for the ladies in the picture, they are light-skinned women. They aren't that hot to me...maybe the one in the middle is, but that's about it.
Ok, let's cut this shit out. I am sure all you educated negros know just what RJ is speaking of. Nappy is equal to "ugly" as demonstrated by BW's comment. Until we are able to face our own demons we will not be able to enlighten anyone. I say love who u love. RJ, I tend to be attracted to men who also find me attractive...I love a groomed brother, but not overly groomed (his fingernails cannot be all shiny)he should carry himself as royalty (only befitting for a Queen such as myself). If he is attracted to women who are caucasian or caucasian-like, I most likely won't like him anyway. I am fearfully and wonderfully made...nappy hair and all. Fuck who don't like it.
Come on Nurse. Don't be like that. You not nappy. Big Wayne knows you are loc'd up. Big Wayne also knows you take pride in your locs. That your locs are well groomed and clean. Big Wayne also knows that the Good Nurse is a piece.
" RJ, I tend to be attracted to men who also find me attractive...I love a groomed brother" - The Good Nurse
Well Big Wayne loves a groomed sista. Nappy is not groomed. Thats all I'm sayin.
Big Wayne loves em black white yellow puerto rican or hatian.
BW, Perhaps our definition of Nappy differs. When i think of nappy I tend to think of tightly curled, coarse, hair...yes my locs are very well groomed and nappy. I have seen plenty of Europeans with hair straight as a stick and as unkempt and stank as they come. Not sure what your definition is..and please dont take my last response personally..I was speaking to all you brothers. nothing but love. for real.
I hear you Sista Nurse. I tend to agree with all that you said.
DV was so moved he called me on the phone after my last post. :-).
Anyway, over the phone, I threw out the idea that perhaps dark skinned Black men have a different experience than similarly-complected (LOL) Black women and that this was the reason that he is apparently unable to grasp the skin-color, grade of hair issue that was raised above.
RJ, Most def! The whole "tall,dark and handsome" idea still rings true. Unfortunatly the idea of beauty world over usually includes someone from European decent. To be "black and comely" is not the ish. If it were the weave, skin bleaching, plastic surgery industry would not exist...at least not for sistas... DV, u know I love you and all that u represent. But..u tend to lean more towards those who look nothing like the "real nurse cook"....no offense..cause u know i am superbad!
Anyway, over the phone, I threw out the idea that perhaps dark skinned Black men have a different experience than similarly-complected (LOL) Black women and that this was the reason that he is apparently unable to grasp the skin-color, grade of hair issue that was raised above.
I've gotten more emails than I count about that. It's too bad that some sex darker girls do get passed over but there is somebody for everybody, makes no difference to me dark or light skin cuse even the light skin ones are still darker than me :)
The Good Nurse (you are beautiful BTW!) you just hit the nail right on the head. For some reason BW equates nappy/afro-kinky hair with unkempt unclean hair, that couldn't be further from the truth of many of the ones I've seen...including mine. But it's cool, I find myself having to dispel that myth quite often.
And since we're posting pics and all LOL.... this is a pic from a few months ago when I first cut my relaxer off, as nappy as I want to be.
I am so shocked about DV taste in "black" lol women. As a chocolate sister, I understand that many "black" men seem to feel that lighter woman that looks a little black is better that the woman that is clearly black. I consider myself the blackest PERSON I know and with that being said give me a chocolate guy any day. Not that there's anything wrong with lighter skin but since I love my skin and I no my skin is not always considered attractive, I find black men with my tone to be very attractive. People have different tastes, fine. But there's something a little off about a man that considers himself the "blackest" man running toward the, on face value, non-blackest women? I really don't get it.....
Anywho, like Nurse said, if you like light or white girls you ain't coming my way...and thats a great thing...I'm too black (and proud) so you could keep it moving...
Big Wayne, Stop. "Nappy is the stage that your course hair evolves to after you failed to maintain and clean it. Nappy is not a good look."
Come on now. Admit it. U have been psychologically damaged as it relates to self image just like the majority of African Americans. There is not a darn thing wrong with "nappy" hair. "nap" is a texture as well. Dude, let it go. It is okay if you prefer women whom have chemically smoothed the cuticle of their hair follicles or by in breeding(this included myself) have caucasian blood running through their veins which manifests itself via their crowns....just get your defintions correct and own up to what this is really about.
RJ, thanks love...and yes, my warrior is 17! Don't talk about it cause it makes me sad....LOL
Not to interject so late, but all this discussion is about those men who prefer "light-skinned" with "good hair", which apparently means it's not nappy (however we define nappy).
Perhaps this is chicken and the egg, but would Black men even have all these choices if Black women, on the whole, also liked "nappy hair". I ask because way too many of my girls spent A LOT of time and money, 8 hours on a Saturday, in a chair at a salon getting their hair pressed and/or permed. Because the thought of wearing their hair in its natural state is simply out of the question.
Maybe if more Black women walked around au natural, and had genuine pride in it, like the great example set by The Good Nurse, Black men would be falling at them.
It's not hair. It's not skin tone/color. It's confidence and a certain intangible spirit that attracts men and women alike.
Ok BW, I guess our definition of nappy just differs. Nappy to me is a texture. If it's not straight, wavy or curly then it's nappy. It has nothing to do with its up-keep or cleanliness.
Illmath says: Look, Big Wayne nappy hair is nappy hair.. we ALL know what that means and I dont think you can create your own definition(just yet). Those girls aren't even that damn light..Firstly I am a part of the african diaspora but Im NOT african.. I have africanisms and some residual aesthetics from the motherland but I am specifically and keenly american... Black... therefore I honestly look for features in my woman that are a combination of african european and indigenous.. Im currently dating a senegalese french girl dark as night but I swear when she took that weave off.. I was taken a back and not attracted (being honest but if she had locs itd be all good) I prefer the women that I hang with to be beautiful and sometimes that entails wash and wear hair and caramel or butter pecan skin tone. I prefer long hair no matter what the texture. DV aint gotta apologize for shit..what makes DV less Black because he's an Al B. Sure lookin nigga? What makes the sista on the left less Black because of her features.. It doesnt matter cuz we all niggas to them anyway.. not making a specific point just stream of thought... I personally like Black women that don't look like theyre are straight from africa (my girl IS straight from africa but Very exotic cheekbones skin etc.) Now to keep it all the way real I don't want my kids to have hair as nappy as mine (I didnt love my hair until I got locs) So Im procreating with a young lady that has a less coarse texture.. Am I wrong for that?Maybe. Maybe Im Right for that. I don't want the little nicca to be too light either or have straight hair. I want him to haver a keener nose and fuller lips, curly hair and fair skin (like halle berry lol. Im laughing at my honesty) Look and for all the chicks that complain about being skipped over because of skin color... maybe your just ugly. U g l y and maybe u dont have an alibi so u hate on your sista.. or maybe your right and If the latter is correct maybe u should get with a white or latino.. I actually think Black americans should look like what we are.. a living manifestation of the physical convergence of the people of the new world.
ILLMATH SAYS:Uh.. Good Nurse..you can get it woman! All that thickness.. I could sop you up with a biscuit girl.. Anyway you dont look that dark sweetheart... More like a roasted chestnut almond light mahogany.
LOL wow I was buggin... LOL ok Denmark B. Sure Vesey (Everybody likes Al B. DV).. I put my proverbial foot in my mouth with that "get with a white or Latino tidbit and few other "ILL" moments:a combination of "dark"humor from a real place... I wasn't being literal in describing my offspring but rather attempting to show the contrasts in beauty that isnt about a white standard of beauty but rather an african american standard of beauty.. hence "keen nose" (white) "fuller lips" (Black) but in my haste and highness managed distort my true intention of meaning. peep..Even though ethiopians have keen features and are "Blacker" than us if you will by virtue of being true Africans we shun that fact.. as if a wide nose and kinky hair has a monopoly on Blackness and when I said "maybe you are ugly" I was saying that maybe I dont like nappy hair because I prefer the hair of my other african "diasporic" sistren (ethiopians or puerto ricans or Morrocans or my american sistasin the pic. I may think your ugly cuz you got a flat ass Sounds shady and effed up but it's true. Am I caught up on features.. No just hair..lol.. Im being honest and the only reason I like locs is because they have the capability flow and move.. LOL hey Im "keepin it real" Im not nigerian so most likely Im not going to be with a chick who has nigerian features... Im not apologetic of that.. To sista nurse no disrespect when I said you can get it.. not only can you get it .. You will make a beautiful queen for a lucky man one day.. now when I mentioned being taken aback by my African (french) girlfriend taking off the weave and having the little mini fro I was illuminating the fact that I love her dark skin her high cheekbones her breasts that point to the heavens... I don't like the nappy look.. I could see her in some braids tho.. but anyway peoples. I hope Im not outcasted because Im the resident pothead If Im gonna be thought of as an asshole it better be because of my views and my indomitable will to sometimes be subversive.. ok? Now ya'll startin to see why the call me ILLMATH!! Stuntin is a habit put it in the air!!
That was some blatantly honest shit right thur. And since we bein honest, fcuk it. Big Weezy can share in your honesty too. Big Weezy does not prefer nappy headed women. Big Wayne also prefers the wash and go. Big Wayne prefers a woman who CAN wear a curly afro if she wanted, but can also pull her shit back when appropriate. Is that a crime? Nope. WIll Big Weezy apologize for it? Nope.
" Come on now. Admit it. U have been psychologically damaged as it relates to self image just like the majority of African Americans. "-TGN
Nah. Nurse, you got it all twisted. That was the easy way out. I'd bet that DV is the only person on this thread more confident in himself than is Big Wayne. And he's prolly the only person as dark as Big Wayne. Big Wayne's esteem is higher than Ill Math. Maybe too high. When I look in the mirror, I see the hottest dude on the planet. Without going into too much detail, let's just say that Big Wayne has never had a problem with his self image.
Most of us aren't African, we are American. If it is your intention to make me out to be less African because I also recognize that I am American, then good luck. Black Americans come in all shades, colors and textures. I like them all. I just PREFER one to the other.
Oh no, not at all Big Weezy. It's really not that serious for me!
I'm not denying that we come in so many colorful varieties, in fact, I see beauty in both my nappy headed sistas as well as the beautiful women up top.
I just prefer men who love ME in all my natural nappy glory.
Uh Big Wayne my dude you good wit me too bra but era uh.. I can't say that you have more self esteem than ILL... Im 5'10 perfect body full lips with a caramel cappucino complexion an amazing career Ive dated some of your favorite KING mag girls AnTM models and actresses and I have a big dick no homo.. Plus Im brilliant and luckily have women validate this on the DEE A LEE. I really am a glowing piece of work my friend I don't look like I would be checking out political blogs debating about social dynamics.(stereotypically speaking) NOW with that said I came to terms with my tightly curled hair but I wanted a curly top when them joints was in.. ok? I wanted my shit like Special Ed and for a brotha like me..S curl didnt work! So that was a source of discomfort for me.. didnt want it to be straight just have that fly silky curly look.. Thats me wanting to be Black..But I ALSO take pride in my naps knowing that it's the ONLY fur that ONLY humans have..Everything else you can find on any breed of dog or some jungle ape... cant finds naps on nothing except man... I take pride in knowing my hair is uniquely human but that don't mean "the bitches be feelin it" they liked the kind they could play with and so do I.. So there..Big wayne Im glad Ive inspired you to truth my man even it it's as ugly as Whoopi goldberg or Joy Behar.. but some people think those chicks are gorgeous so maybe the truth is too.
" Plus Im brilliant and luckily have women validate this on the DEE A LEE." -Ill
LMAO!~ Ill youz a funny dude. And quite bragadocious. Iss all good. Big Wayne is not mad atcha! When Big Wayne was single, he was bragadocious too, and for good reason. Just put that playboy shit aside by 35.
'Cause as my boy Big J says. Any nucca without a woman at 35 is gay...not porking other dudes in the booty gay. But unable to successfully bond with a woman gay."
" A Millionaire, I'm a Young Money Millie in aire, tougher than Nigerian hair," -Lil Wayne
So, since Weezy (who wears long locs) spoke on the toughness of Nigerian hair, does this mean that he too " has been psychologically damaged as it relates to self image just like the majority of African Americans?"
BW. If I am not mistaken, U spoke about nappy hair being distasteful to you...not because of it's "toughness" but because of it's nappiness. Please stop quoting young rappers and use your own words to justify your foolywang. I have no issue with you or whom u choose to love or lay with. I am well aware that we all have our preferences. I choose to love Black men because the the first man to tell me I was beautiful was a Black man (my Daddy). Black men affirm me. The Blacker the Better...but that's just me.
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Like I said, DV like 'em 1/8 black.
Whaddup cuz.
LOL.
What up Big J!
It's not that these girls aren't black enough for ya. You just like them big Serena Williams lookin' linebacker broads with Adam apples.
Wow! It is predictable, but always surprising how Black men can despise an authentic Black woman whose gene pool isn’t mixed with any ‘other’. Serena Williams wins Wimbledons and yet loses during mating season because God made her dark with an athletic build. That ongoing joke about ‘dark or light skin being in’ well dark skin has never been in when it comes to dark Black women. Interesting comment DV, disappointing at best. The Blackest man in America loves him the lightest women…that’s allowed.
Question. Do we consider these women in the photo light?
I think the sistas are beautiful...and their beauty does not minimize mine in any way. I am brown like chocolate cake batter, my hair is loc'd and dyed to match the color of rich mohogany..brown eyes, 5 feet tall, 145(yeah, I am thick in all the right places)....my great gramndmother was white. But u cannot tell my looking at me(well maybe my hair gives a hint)...I adore my blackness and all those who share this wonderful swagger called Negro.....including thi sistas in the photo. WE ARE AFICAN AMERICAN.
sorry for the typos! "by looking at me" "including the sistas"
WE ARE AFRICAN AMERICAN
Good post Nurse.
If I keep it real though, and just to stir up the pot....if anything, DV has a thing for chicks with "good hair" not light skin!
He'll take em with dark skin and straight hair.
See Robyn.
Why you say that?
Why it gotta be "good hair"?
Why it can't be "beautiful hair"?
Why it gotta be "light skin", why can't it be "healthy skin"?
Light, dark, good are political, and have nothing to do with aesthetic beauty of a black woman.
Acknowledgment of one is not a rejection of the other.
Personally, I've always found women who like themselves the baddest women.
That's why I like Sista Nurse.
It aint what you are, it's what you do with it.
Hey RJ!
What's up? U know...I hope DV likes who likes him...no matter light or dark..
I am beautiful. I do not require anyone to confirm that. I bet u are beautiful too...
Hell ya'll... Stop giving DV grief... you would think he posted Heidi Klum... Seal's wife up there or something. Those are beautiful young ladies. Remember black is not a color. It's an experience. I know some really dark skinned girls who act whiter than Paris Hilton... So don't get it twisted.
Those women are not light skinned. And absent the flash on the camera or the extreme light from the sun, I'd bet they are darker in person.
I don't use the term "good hur" but I wouldn't blame DV for not wanting a hot nappy head laying next to him at night...if that was the case.
I mean after all, he is the cocoa butta brotha with the deep waves, what more can you expect?
DV, relax. I was messing with you. As you may know, I dont subscribe to the light/dark thing. My skin and hair are such that I dont have a dog in that fight. Never really have.
That was actually me who posted the question about whether these girls are in fact light skinned. Thats not how I would describe them.
Like Nurse, I love me, that's all I can do.
I agree with you that some folks project their own feelings on the issue on to others. But I am equally aware that in general, the light/dark issue does exist and is not some always a figment (sp) of some dark skinned chick's imagination.
I'm actually surprised that you didnt take Wayne's approach, i.e., own whatever you find to be beautiful and say "it is what is." But looking back, I guess you did that.
Oh, and thanks Nurse. I'm indeed beautiful too!
And Casper, you get props for this...
"Black is not a color its an experience."
Truer words have never been spoken. Great line! Ima borrow that.
I don't know Robyn.
I got a problem with that.
I'm not ready to agree that "there is a light/dark issue" that favors light over dark.
Not my experience.
I've always found advantage in dark.
Imagine beautiful twins.
Imagine one twin several shades darker than the other.
Quiet as it's kept ...
THE WORLD PREFERS DARK.
Any other attitude or presumption or expectation ... is the product of mind control.
The worst thing we can do is repeat it as if it's a proven fact.
That makes it so.
That's what Mike Fisher and them cats don't understand about GSWS.
"Black is not a color its an experience."
Truer words have never been spoken. Great line! Ima borrow that.
Robyn,
Where you think he got it?
You wrote that DV? Surprised then that I didnt catch it sooner.
Anyway, so you dont buy that light/dark exists?
To what do you attribute statements like these?
Wayne: "...but I wouldn't blame DV for not wanting a hot nappy head laying next to him at night...if that was the case."
Hot nappy head.
Okay. If that's not a sign that nappy (which is generally lumped in with dark) is disfavored, I dont know what is.
Too bad black folks, generally speaking, got "nappy" hair.
Are dark and nappy synonymous?
I suggest we call a square a square and a circle a circle.
Is "big nose" synonymous with dark?
I don't think so.
In fact, dear Robyn, I believe knee-jerk associations of dark with unattractive features creates a psychological booby trap that perpetuates what you appear to protest.
We can put aside dark if you like. Particularly if it prevents you from focusing.
Answer this, how did nappy get to be an "unattractive feature?"
Answer this, how did nappy get to be an "unattractive feature?"
I'm not sure.
But I bet it's developed along lines parallel to the way "pasty" got to be an "unattractive feature".
" I believe knee-jerk associations of dark with unattractive features creates a psychological booby trap that perpetuates what you appear to protest."
Excellent. Dark as worse has never been my experience either. I'm a dark skinded brotha by all means, and no way in hell would i EVER want to be a light skinded dude. (The skinded was intentional) I'm not so sure that the world prefers dark, but it has certainly worked for me.
" Answer this, how did nappy get to be an "unattractive feature?" "- RJE
RJ,
When was nappy ever attractive?
Nappy, to me, is unkempt. When was unkempt ever attractive?
Nappy is nappy. Both yall niggaz know damn well what nappy is. Aint no amount of neat gon' take nappy away and you know it Wayne! Now stop all this foolishness.
My point is, while we must proclaim our own beauty, that doesnt erase the american beauty standard that typically embraces lighter skin, straighter hair and thinner/smaller features.
DV is like Frederick Douglass: down for his people but attracted to women that don't look like him because, at the base of things, they most resemble white women. Light skin and straight hair are prerequisites for getting your picture posted on DV's site.
As for the ladies in the picture, they are light-skinned women. They aren't that hot to me...maybe the one in the middle is, but that's about it.
Get'em RJ!!!!
Get'em dead-to-rights in that briar patch of bullshit they slangin...,
Ok, let's cut this shit out. I am sure all you educated negros know just what RJ is speaking of. Nappy is equal to "ugly" as demonstrated by BW's comment. Until we are able to face our own demons we will not be able to enlighten anyone. I say love who u love.
RJ,
I tend to be attracted to men who also find me attractive...I love a groomed brother, but not overly groomed (his fingernails cannot be all shiny)he should carry himself as royalty (only befitting for a Queen such as myself). If he is attracted to women who are caucasian or caucasian-like, I most likely won't like him anyway. I am fearfully and wonderfully made...nappy hair and all. Fuck who don't like it.
now this was a CLASSIC post folk
Come on Nurse. Don't be like that. You not nappy. Big Wayne knows you are loc'd up. Big Wayne also knows you take pride in your locs. That your locs are well groomed and clean. Big Wayne also knows that the Good Nurse is a piece.
" RJ,
I tend to be attracted to men who also find me attractive...I love a groomed brother" - The Good Nurse
Well Big Wayne loves a groomed sista. Nappy is not groomed. Thats all I'm sayin.
Big Wayne loves em black white yellow puerto rican or hatian.
Well, loves to look at em.
BW,
Perhaps our definition of Nappy differs.
When i think of nappy I tend to think of tightly curled, coarse, hair...yes my locs are very well groomed and nappy. I have seen plenty of Europeans with hair straight as a stick and as unkempt and stank as they come. Not sure what your definition is..and please dont take my last response personally..I was speaking to all you brothers. nothing but love. for real.
I hear you Sista Nurse. I tend to agree with all that you said.
DV was so moved he called me on the phone after my last post. :-).
Anyway, over the phone, I threw out the idea that perhaps dark skinned Black men have a different experience than similarly-complected (LOL) Black women and that this was the reason that he is apparently unable to grasp the skin-color, grade of hair issue that was raised above.
What do you think of that propositon?
RJ,
Most def! The whole "tall,dark and handsome" idea still rings true. Unfortunatly the idea of beauty world over usually includes someone from European decent. To be "black and comely" is not the ish. If it were the weave, skin bleaching, plastic surgery industry would not exist...at least not for sistas...
DV,
u know I love you and all that u represent. But..u tend to lean more towards those who look nothing like the "real nurse cook"....no offense..cause u know i am superbad!
Anyway, over the phone, I threw out the idea that perhaps dark skinned Black men have a different experience than similarly-complected (LOL) Black women and that this was the reason that he is apparently unable to grasp the skin-color, grade of hair issue that was raised above.
I've gotten more emails than I count about that. It's too bad that some sex darker girls do get passed over but there is somebody for everybody, makes no difference to me dark or light skin cuse even the light skin ones are still darker than me :)
Nurse put up her pic yall.
Very beautiful girl!!
There's NO WAY you have a 17 year old son!!!!!
The Good Nurse (you are beautiful BTW!) you just hit the nail right on the head. For some reason BW equates nappy/afro-kinky hair with unkempt unclean hair, that couldn't be further from the truth of many of the ones I've seen...including mine. But it's cool, I find myself having to dispel that myth quite often.
And since we're posting pics and all LOL.... this is a pic from a few months ago when I first cut my relaxer off, as nappy as I want to be.
IMS doesn't do "unkempt."
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1379/5621610/11185529/312368224.jpg
Oh, and I don't have a lazy eye, the pic just came out like that!
I cut the url off...
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1379/5621610/11185529/312368224.jpg
"`For some reason BW equates nappy/afro-kinky hair with unkempt unclean hair" -IMS
Wrong. Course is a texture. I have no problem with texture.
Nappy is the stage that your course hair evolves to after you failed to maintain and clean it. Nappy is not a good look.
I am so shocked about DV taste in "black" lol women. As a chocolate sister, I understand that many "black" men seem to feel that lighter woman that looks a little black is better that the woman that is clearly black. I consider myself the blackest PERSON I know and with that being said give me a chocolate guy any day. Not that there's anything wrong with lighter skin but since I love my skin and I no my skin is not always considered attractive, I find black men with my tone to be very attractive. People have different tastes, fine. But there's something a little off about a man that considers himself the "blackest" man running toward the, on face value, non-blackest women? I really don't get it.....
Anywho, like Nurse said, if you like light or white girls you ain't coming my way...and thats a great thing...I'm too black (and proud) so you could keep it moving...
Big Wayne,
Stop. "Nappy is the stage that your course hair evolves to after you failed to maintain and clean it. Nappy is not a good look."
Come on now. Admit it. U have been psychologically damaged as it relates to self image just like the majority of African Americans. There is not a darn thing wrong with "nappy" hair. "nap" is a texture as well. Dude, let it go. It is okay if you prefer women whom have chemically smoothed the cuticle of their hair follicles or by in breeding(this included myself) have caucasian blood running through their veins which manifests itself via their crowns....just get your defintions correct and own up to what this is really about.
RJ,
thanks love...and yes, my warrior is 17! Don't talk about it cause it makes me sad....LOL
Not to interject so late, but all this discussion is about those men who prefer "light-skinned" with "good hair", which apparently means it's not nappy (however we define nappy).
Perhaps this is chicken and the egg, but would Black men even have all these choices if Black women, on the whole, also liked "nappy hair". I ask because way too many of my girls spent A LOT of time and money, 8 hours on a Saturday, in a chair at a salon getting their hair pressed and/or permed. Because the thought of wearing their hair in its natural state is simply out of the question.
Maybe if more Black women walked around au natural, and had genuine pride in it, like the great example set by The Good Nurse, Black men would be falling at them.
It's not hair. It's not skin tone/color. It's confidence and a certain intangible spirit that attracts men and women alike.
Ok BW, I guess our definition of nappy just differs. Nappy to me is a texture. If it's not straight, wavy or curly then it's nappy. It has nothing to do with its up-keep or cleanliness.
Also, strong co-sign on what Dina just said.
Illmath says:
Look, Big Wayne nappy hair is nappy hair.. we ALL know what that means and I dont think you can create your own definition(just yet). Those girls aren't even that damn light..Firstly I am a part of the african diaspora but Im NOT african.. I have africanisms and some residual aesthetics from the motherland but I am specifically and keenly american... Black... therefore I honestly look for features in my woman that are a combination of african european and indigenous.. Im currently dating a senegalese french girl dark as night but I swear when she took that weave off.. I was taken a back and not attracted (being honest but if she had locs itd be all good) I prefer the women that I hang with to be beautiful and sometimes that entails wash and wear hair and caramel or butter pecan skin tone. I prefer long hair no matter what the texture. DV aint gotta apologize for shit..what makes DV less Black because he's an Al B. Sure lookin nigga? What makes the sista on the left less Black because of her features.. It doesnt matter cuz we all niggas to them anyway.. not making a specific point just stream of thought... I personally like Black women that don't look like theyre are straight from africa (my girl IS straight from africa but Very exotic cheekbones skin etc.) Now to keep it all the way real I don't want my kids to have hair as nappy as mine (I didnt love my hair until I got locs) So Im procreating with a young lady that has a less coarse texture.. Am I wrong for that?Maybe. Maybe Im Right for that. I don't want the little nicca to be too light either or have straight hair. I want him to haver a keener nose and fuller lips, curly hair and fair skin (like halle berry lol. Im laughing at my honesty) Look and for all the chicks that complain about being skipped over because of skin color... maybe your just ugly. U g l y and maybe u dont have an alibi so u hate on your sista.. or maybe your right and If the latter is correct maybe u should get with a white or latino.. I actually think Black americans should look like what we are.. a living manifestation of the physical convergence of the people of the new world.
ILLMATH SAYS:Uh.. Good Nurse..you can get it woman! All that thickness.. I could sop you up with a biscuit girl.. Anyway you dont look that dark sweetheart... More like a roasted chestnut almond light mahogany.
Damn Ill.
That was interesting.
I was with you. For a minute.
Then you lost me.
Then you made some sense.
Then it sound you like was high.
Then you made some damn good sense again.
You aight wit me man. I like that.
Al B. Sure? LOL. Nah. But I saw him the other night at Chaya havin' a drink. Cool cat.
Al B? Nah not me. In fact, not only am I the blackest man on the internet, I'd bet cash money, I'm the darkest person on this thread.
Tell the truth. 80% of the time the people who can't get beyond complexion - are really focused on features.
(Right Anonymous?)
That's Sista Nurse!?
Wow. I would have known that if she never said nothing. I recognize the smile in her eyes. What's sexier than that?
ILLMATH SAYS: Actually DV I Am high.. lol... I TRY not to post when Im high.. but nevertheless Im cognizant .. wait.. what was I sayin'?
No...,
rotflmbao
LOL wow I was buggin... LOL ok Denmark B. Sure Vesey (Everybody likes Al B. DV).. I put my proverbial foot in my mouth with that "get with a white or Latino tidbit and few other "ILL" moments:a combination of "dark"humor from a real place... I wasn't being literal in describing my offspring but rather attempting to show the contrasts in beauty that isnt about a white standard of beauty but rather an african american standard of beauty.. hence "keen nose" (white) "fuller lips" (Black) but in my haste and highness managed distort my true intention of meaning. peep..Even though ethiopians have keen features and are "Blacker" than us if you will by virtue of being true Africans we shun that fact.. as if a wide nose and kinky hair has a monopoly on Blackness and when I said "maybe you are ugly" I was saying that maybe I dont like nappy hair because I prefer the hair of my other african "diasporic" sistren (ethiopians or puerto ricans or Morrocans or my american sistasin the pic. I may think your ugly cuz you got a flat ass Sounds shady and effed up but it's true. Am I caught up on features.. No just hair..lol.. Im being honest and the only reason I like locs is because they have the capability flow and move.. LOL hey Im "keepin it real" Im not nigerian so most likely Im not going to be with a chick who has nigerian features... Im not apologetic of that.. To sista nurse no disrespect when I said you can get it.. not only can you get it .. You will make a beautiful queen for a lucky man one day.. now when I mentioned being taken aback by my African (french) girlfriend taking off the weave and having the little mini fro I was illuminating the fact that I love her dark skin her high cheekbones her breasts that point to the heavens... I don't like the nappy look.. I could see her in some braids tho.. but anyway peoples. I hope Im not outcasted because Im the resident pothead If Im gonna be thought of as an asshole it better be because of my views and my indomitable will to sometimes be subversive.. ok? Now ya'll startin to see why the call me ILLMATH!! Stuntin is a habit put it in the air!!
Ill you aight with me too.
That was some blatantly honest shit right thur. And since we bein honest, fcuk it. Big Weezy can share in your honesty too. Big Weezy does not prefer nappy headed women. Big Wayne also prefers the wash and go. Big Wayne prefers a woman who CAN wear a curly afro if she wanted, but can also pull her shit back when appropriate. Is that a crime? Nope. WIll Big Weezy apologize for it? Nope.
" Come on now. Admit it. U have been psychologically damaged as it relates to self image just like the majority of African Americans. "-TGN
Nah. Nurse, you got it all twisted. That was the easy way out. I'd bet that DV is the only person on this thread more confident in himself than is Big Wayne. And he's prolly the only person as dark as Big Wayne. Big Wayne's esteem is higher than Ill Math. Maybe too high. When I look in the mirror, I see the hottest dude on the planet. Without going into too much detail, let's just say that Big Wayne has never had a problem with his self image.
You still get an "A" for effort.
May I interject for a moment?
Nappy hair IS wash and go hair.
You cats are cracking me up.
U right about that Kimberly. Good point.
Most of us aren't African, we are American. If it is your intention to make me out to be less African because I also recognize that I am American, then good luck. Black Americans come in all shades, colors and textures. I like them all. I just PREFER one to the other.
Oh no, not at all Big Weezy. It's really not that serious for me!
I'm not denying that we come in so many colorful varieties, in fact, I see beauty in both my nappy headed sistas as well as the beautiful women up top.
I just prefer men who love ME in all my natural nappy glory.
Uh Big Wayne my dude you good wit me too bra but era uh.. I can't say that you have more self esteem than ILL... Im 5'10 perfect body full lips with a caramel cappucino complexion an amazing career Ive dated some of your favorite KING mag girls AnTM models and actresses and I have a big dick no homo.. Plus Im brilliant and luckily have women validate this on the DEE A LEE. I really am a glowing piece of work my friend I don't look like I would be checking out political blogs debating about social dynamics.(stereotypically speaking) NOW with that said I came to terms with my tightly curled hair but I wanted a curly top when them joints was in.. ok? I wanted my shit like Special Ed and for a brotha like me..S curl didnt work! So that was a source of discomfort for me.. didnt want it to be straight just have that fly silky curly look.. Thats me wanting to be Black..But I ALSO take pride in my naps knowing that it's the ONLY fur that ONLY humans have..Everything else you can find on any breed of dog or some jungle ape... cant finds naps on nothing except man... I take pride in knowing my hair is uniquely human but that don't mean "the bitches be feelin it" they liked the kind they could play with and so do I.. So there..Big wayne Im glad Ive inspired you to truth my man even it it's as ugly as Whoopi goldberg or Joy Behar.. but some people think those chicks are gorgeous so maybe the truth is too.
" Plus Im brilliant and luckily have women validate this on the DEE A LEE." -Ill
LMAO!~ Ill youz a funny dude. And quite bragadocious. Iss all good. Big Wayne is not mad atcha! When Big Wayne was single, he was bragadocious too, and for good reason. Just put that playboy shit aside by 35.
'Cause as my boy Big J says. Any nucca without a woman at 35 is gay...not porking other dudes in the booty gay. But unable to successfully bond with a woman gay."
You pushin 35 yet?
Hey Nurse! You still here?
" A Millionaire,
I'm a Young Money Millie in aire, tougher than Nigerian hair," -Lil Wayne
So, since Weezy (who wears long locs) spoke on the toughness of Nigerian hair, does this mean that he too " has been psychologically damaged as it relates to self image just like the majority of African Americans?"
BW.
If I am not mistaken, U spoke about nappy hair being distasteful to you...not because of it's "toughness" but because of it's nappiness. Please stop quoting young rappers and use your own words to justify your foolywang. I have no issue with you or whom u choose to love or lay with. I am well aware that we all have our preferences. I choose to love Black men because the the first man to tell me I was beautiful was a Black man (my Daddy). Black men affirm me. The Blacker the Better...but that's just me.
Please stop quoting young rappers and use your own words to justify your foolywang.-TGN
LMAO Nurse. Stay ur ass of theybf. LOL!
LOL..foolywang is a YBF word... Hey if I don't love myself I can't love nobody else right Big Wayne? Im actually laying in wait for my queen and so I can have some little Ills running around by 30...Im 28 now tho. Question people Am I somehow wrong to want to teach my child french instead of swahili?
Yo DV I want to thank you Bro for this blog man..It's not often that I get to fraternize with such insightful brothers and sisters and you too bryd turd you know I just be fuckin wit you boy u ain't my brotha though nigga hee hee.. but yeah just wanted to say that man.. even though I can't understand why you are a christian..I understand how important a role the Black church plays in Black political life but to actually..wait do you believe in the bible fully??? Matter of fact why don't you bring that up? You know how you do... pose a question or something... lets talk about it !!!
"fuck a g ride I want the machines that are makin em"
Cuz IllMATH will "jack for similac fuck a cadillac"
what is theybf?
It's a website that uses the word..foolywang lol...
Oh really. So does my mother...and I am sure she's been saying it long before any "website" was ever created. Sorry.
uh..dont be
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