Wednesday, January 30, 2008

Most Intellectually Dishonest Ass Kissing Propaganda Repeating Bullshit of The Week

Undercover Black Man said...

DV... Jew-hatred is the white man's disease. Check yourself.




Denmark Vesey
said ...

Undercover... Ignorance, cowardice and conformity is the habit of slaves.

Why transform legitimate consideration of historical events into religious hatred?

What on this blog remotely suggests a "hatred" of people who practice the ancient and deeply spiritual religion of Judaism?

Never mind. You don't even know what yourself. You are just parroting what you've been taught is profitable to parrot.

8 comments:

Undercover Black Man said...

Dude, you just posted a piece suggesting that the Protocols are a genuine secret Jewish plan for world domination. (A secret plan that the Jews wrote down!)

You don't have a right to act aggrieved. Or to act like you're intellectually honest.

Denmark Vesey said...

"Dude,"

You are so eager to kiss Jewish ass that you read something that is not there. The piece suggests no such thing. It suggests exactly the opposite.

I’m not in the least bit aggrieved. I’m simply disgusted at your little punk move of pointing a finger and screaming “Jew Hate” the moment you encounter a meme not approved by your employers.

Now quit playing Sammy Davis Jr. and read the piece more carefully.

Undercover Black Man said...

Given your incompetent presentation of the material, particularly your ignorance of proper style regarding quotation marks, it's difficult to tell who wrote those introductory paragraphs... you or "Mackow."

And who-da-flunk is "Mackow," and why do his words have value?

The piece suggests no such thing. It suggests exactly the opposite.

Then why you got "forgery" in quotes (as in, "so-called" forgery).

I've been studying racist propaganda for decades. You ain't even being slick about it.

No need for further discussion. I'll be leaving your space alone.

Denmark Vesey said...

1) "forgery" is in quotes, you handkerchief head negro, because it is simplistic and disingenuous to characterize the Protocols as a forgery, as is widely the case.

2) Makow is a writer who happens to be a Jew.

3) You haven't been studying racist propaganda for 10 years. You have been consuming propaganda all your life.

"No need for further discussion. I'll be leaving your space alone."

LOL. Of course. You've hurled the accusation of "Jew Hate!"

Your work is done.

So step "Undercover" Black Man.

J.C. said...

Who cares what the Jew's think any way ?
Why should that famous group of liars be regarded as important ?
One of the reasons why people hate the Jews in general is that they lied to their own people with all the made up god shit.
Holey Moses bullshit. Ha.

All their bullshit came from Babylon anyway. Toss in a little bullshit from Egypt and you have it. Well also some Canaanite bullshit.
Get a life with saying that group is special.
The stupid ass Christians are really Jews.
They worship a Jewish Rabbi.
Ha ah.
D.V. you are a total Sammy Davis man Tapdance to it.

CNu said...

Seems that Obama's problems with handkerchief head, second line inheritors of the civil rights movement is analogous to his problems with the designated leaders of da jooze..., (interesting article, I couldn't find the link and got it from a list to which I subscribe - and simply repeat it here in full)

Obama's Jewish Problem by Rabbi Michael Lerner

In the days leading up to the Super Tuesday presidential primary sweepstakes, the Obama campaign has been making a special effort to reach out to Jewish voters. Representatives of the campaign have been visiting Jewish retirement homes, synagogues, and wherever else they can find a willing audience. Faced with Clinton campaigners making charges that he is not sufficiently pro-Israel, Obama himself wrote a letter to U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Khalizad last week urging that the U.S. reject any resolution critiquing Israel's cut off of fuel and food to a million residents of Gaza "that does not fully condemn the rocket assaults Hamas has been conducting on civilians in southern Israel."

It's a problem that won't go away. Jewish voters are only 2% of the U.S. population, but they are mostly concentrated in the states with the highest number of delegate and electoral votes (New York, California, Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Illinois), they contribute financially to politicians disproportionately to their percentage of the voters, and they are often in key roles as opinion shapers in the communities in which they work or live.

Democratic Party appeals to the Jewish vote are not much different than the appeals that happens to other constituencies like the labor movement, the women's movement, Latino voters, African Americans, farmers, seniors or children, or Republican pandering to the anti-immigrants, Southern whites, or Catholic and Evangelical anti-abortion voters. They are as American as apple pie, even at the times when "appealing" slides into "pandering."

What puts Obama into difficulty is that his actual beliefs make this attempt to appeal to Jews difficult when it comes to Israel.

Obama is a spiritual progressive. He believes that human beings are equally valuable whether they are white or black, American or Asian or African or European. Apply that to the Middle East and you get policy inclinations very different from those which have been insisted upon by the Israel Lobby, supported by most of the establishment Jewish institutions, and through the power of their organized pressure, have become the dominant policy supported by both parties in rare unanimity.

So while spiritual progressives like us at Tikkun and the Network of Spiritual Progressives have been insisting that the best path to Israeli security is a peace treaty with the Palestinian people and an approach that seeks mutual open-hearted repentance for the way each side has treated each other, the creation of a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza that is both politically and economically viable, reparations for Palestinians refugees, and a South-Africa model of "truth and reconciliation" in both Israel and Palestine, the Democratic Party and Republican Party have traditionally vied during the election period for which could appear more militant in its support for Israeli power and less sympathetic to the Palestinian people. While spiritual progressives support a Middle Path that is both pro-Israel and pro-Palestine, the extreme partisans on both sides see us as abandoning their interests and covertly siding with the other.

Underlying this is a deeper ideological conflict. After the Vietnam war, there was a terrible fear among conservatives and the military-industrial complex that the peace movement might use the moral outrage at that war to mobilize for disarmament. Jewish neo-cons,fearful that a disarmed U.S. would be unable to play a central role in protecting Israel, took the leadership in warning against a "Vietnam syndrome." Security for the U.S. and Israel , they argued, comes from military strength, and those who seek peace, disarmament, and reconciliation with antagonists are naïve, utopian, dangerous and de facto anti-American or anti-Israel.

We spiritual progressives, on the other hand, believe that the strategy of dominating the other does not lead to homeland security either for the U.S. or for Israel, whose interests would better be served by a strategy of generosity, caring for the well-being of the other, and reaching out with open-heartedness to acknowledge the unintentional pain that we have caused others and seeking forgiveness for that. We have seen that the path of "toughness" doesn't work, doesn't yield security, but only intensifies the losses on both sides. Concretely, the Network of Spiritual Progressives is beginning a campaign for a Global Marshall Plan that would allocate 1-2% of the GDP of the U.S. every year for the next twenty to once and for all end domestic and global hunger, poverty, homelessness, inadequate education, inadequate health care, and repair the global environment. This is far more likely to dry up the cesspools of hatred against the U.S. from which terrorists are able to recruit their suicide bombers. The fact is that the strategy of domination has been tried for thousands of years, and it has never brought anyone security, so it's time to try the strategy of generosity.

In recent days, we at Tikkun magazine have had hundreds of emails from young Jews distraught at the television images of tens of thousands of Palestinians breaking out of the prison camp that Gaza has become, desperate for food, fuel and other goods that have been denied entry into Gaza by the Israeli army. A new generation of young Jews no longer blindly adopts the strategy of domination or salutes to the policies of the current government of Israel. It is these Jews who are the future, but they do not yet control the institutions of Jewish life. They understand that Israel will be far more secure if it adopts a strategy of generosity, and stops trying to show how "tough" it really is, but they also despair about Israel ever "getting it" in time to save itself from policies that further inflame hatred against it by human-rights respecting people around the world. No matter how much these young Jews may agree that Palestinian acts of terror or Hamas shelling of Sderot are also ugly and morally inexcusable acts, they understand that the overwhelming power of the Israeli military gives Israel the obligation to take the first definitive steps toward peace by embracing the kind of Progressive Middle Path that we articulate at Tikkun.

Obams's problem is that his spiritual progressive worldview is in conflict with the demands of the older generation of Jews who control the Jewish institutions and define what it is to be pro-Jewish, while his base consists of many young Jews who support him precisely because he is willing to publicly stand for the values that they hold. We can expect that this tension will be central should Obama win the nomination. But once in office, whether Obama actually pursues policies that are in accord with his highest beliefs as a spiritual progressive, or whether he finds it "too unrealistic" to try to buck the spineless Democrats who will bow to the Israel Lobby automatically, depends on whether we can build a powerful enough movement of ordinary citizens to push for a peace that provides security for Israel and justice for the Palestinian people. Obama has made it clear he would want to do that.


Rabbi Michael Lerner is editor of Tikkun magazine www.tikkun.org, national chair of the Network of Spiritual Progressives (NSP) at www.spiritualprogressives.org, and author of 11 books, most recently The Left Hand of God: Taking Back our Country from the Religious Right. He is the rabbi of Beyt Tikkun Synagogue-without-walls in San Francisco and Berkeley www.beyttikkun.org. RabbiLerner@Tikkun.org.

J.C. said...

Progressive is a funny word that means nothing in political terms but 'more of the same'.

"Obams's problem is that his spiritual progressive worldview is in conflict with the demands of the older generation of Jews who control the Jewish institutions and define what it is to be pro-Jewish, while his base consists of many young Jews who support him precisely because he is willing to publicly stand for the values that they hold."

What a line of bullshit.
Israel is a Jewish State.
It is a religious state.
It is not secular.
It is and will be controlled by religious fanatics, and supported by religious fanatic Christians in the U.S.

Obama is a religious fanatic, as is Hillary. They make a good team for Israel.

Obama as progressive ?
Ha ha.

Denmark Vesey said...

"One of the reasons why people hate the Jews in general is that they lied to their own people with all the made up god shit. Holey Moses bullshit. Ha." skip sievert

First of all Skip, regarding "hating Jews", speak for yourself, not "people".

Secondly, your little anti-God diatribes designed to convince us that God does not exist, are as foolish as a deaf man trying to convince us music doesn't exist.

Just because you can't hear it, doesn't mean it makes no sound. Just because you are incapable of experiencing God, does not mean God cannot be experienced.

What little spirit you have left has atrophied.

But, as evidenced by your presence, you have sense enough to hang out here with the soulful.

Or, if you really think "God is bullshit" ... step.