Two Basketball Gods Go Head to Head
If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you
But make allowance for their doubting too,
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream--and not make dreams your master,
If you can think--and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it all on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breath a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on!"
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings--nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
If all men count with you, but none too much,
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And--which is more--you'll be a Man, my son.
kipling
If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you
But make allowance for their doubting too,
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream--and not make dreams your master,
If you can think--and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it all on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breath a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on!"
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings--nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
If all men count with you, but none too much,
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And--which is more--you'll be a Man, my son.
kipling
26 comments:
Fans boo kobe because they're selfish. I honestly believe ticket holders would give it to Buss and Kupchak much worse if they were ever introduced. They'd have to duck from pennies, ice and anything else fans can throw.
KP
Damn good point KP. Damn good point.
Didn't think about that.
On the news I heard one Laker fan who said he booed Kobe state he supported Kobe when he was charged with rape in Denver. He supported Kobe over Shaq & Phil when the three had beef. Now after Kobe ran off Shaq while they where winning Championships and the team can barely make the playoffs he wants to bail on the team , city and his most loyal fans. So "bleep" him!
Nothing is forever, so what makes Kobe the exception?
Co-sign with the dude Casper discussed.
Jordan didn't win his 1st ring until 29... Did he bail on the bulls. Kobe is a chump!
Casper ...
Ever loyal to the plantation.
DV
"Ever loyal to the plantation"
What's worse swinging from Kobe's nutsack or bitch slappin' a biatch! snitch! DV??
TMac, a basketball god? He's not even a hall of famer.
Damn, yall act like Kobe owe yall something. The man said he wants to win, and that he was lied to about the direction the team was going in, and that he had absolutely nothing to do with the Shaq situation. It's fine if you don't believe him, but then it's rather hypocritical to still claim you would love him if he would stay in La La land. And if you are willing to concede that, in the absence of any stement to the contrary from any other party involved in this situation, Kobe is being honest about his feelings on the situation what's the problem with him wanting a better situation for himself than what he sees going on with the Lakers. None of you would be loyal to your job situation if you saw something better on the horizon.
Seems like a whole lot of emotions invested in one tall brother running and jumping and throwing a ball in a hoop. But I suppose that's to be expected from fan(atic)s
LOL ...
Get 'em Ex!
You are so right. The disproportionate and vehement hatred directed towards Kobe, is completely illogical. What's up with intelligent brothers going out of their way to hate on another black man?
Anything less than stoning a black man in public is referred to as ... "swinging from his nutsack".
Nah.
Ya'll swingin' from Massa's nutsack, by hating who he hates.
How you going to side with gay ass Bus and against the brotha?
Amazing.
Regarding the Jordan comment, Jordan had Pippen, Ho Grant and clear effort to improve personnel by year 3 if I'm not mistaken. The Lakers have failed move after failed move to their credit.
Kobe is cursed by winning at such a young age and being surrounded by solid vets during his first 6-7 years. Losing is foreign to him and playing with lame ducks is beneath him. In his mind he deserves an investment from the front office so the team can compete just like they expect him to put up 80pts if need be.
Say you don't like his personality but he has a point regarding wanting to be traded. Mitch and Buss deserve the attention because Kobe is the only thing the lakers have going for themselves after 3 or 4 drafts and tons of free agents that have come and went.
Ask him to restructure his contract if he's crippling the team financially. I don't think that has come up during any of this sideshow so it must not be an issue.
KP
KP. You killing them. Why are brothers like you not on ESPN, Fox or Sports Radio?
Even intelligent educated brothers adopt the attitudes of the mainstream if they are bombarded with it long enough.
Hate on Kobe? Give me a break. Did anybody see the game the other night? The man gives 110% every minute he is on the floor.
Exodus
"what's the problem with him wanting a better situation for himself than what he sees going on with the Lakers."
Because he was central to creating the mess! Now he wants out... Thats all. That's like you cheating on your wife then you file for divorce from her by accusing her of doing the same thing.
DV
"LOL ...
Get 'em Ex!"
I think that fan(atics) was direted at you! DV
DV
You are so right. The disproportionate and vehement hatred directed towards Kobe, is completely illogical. What's up with intelligent brothers going out of their way to hate on another black man?
Its not the opposite of your love of Kobe. We dislike his some of the stuff he pulled. And just because he is black he can do no wrong. Is that what you are saying DV???
DV
"Ya'll swingin' from Massa's nutsack, by hating who he hates"
Or is it that you are swinging on Kobe's nutsack !
Sheet! you hate Oprah so what does that make you ? Hating on our black women...Huh DV?
Anon
"Regarding the Jordan comment, Jordan had Pippen, Ho Grant and clear effort to improve personnel by year 3 if I'm not mistaken. The Lakers have failed move after failed move to their credit."
And Kobe had Shaq until his little bitchy ego couldn't take it any more.
DV
"Hate on Kobe? Give me a break. Did anybody see the game the other night? The man gives 110% every minute he is on the floor."
And they loss. Boy he shore could use Shaq ! Punp ass!
Casper,
I just know ... i mean I KNOW ... it was your great great great great grandfather was the one who told on Denmark Vesey.
"Ooohhhh Massa! Denmawk plannin' a ReeVowt!"
Casper - come on... R u still whining about the trade??? You have GM's staring you right in the face who have done absolutely nothing in years and you want to whine about the trade. amazing. Just yesterday you damn near got rid of kobe in a three way deal for artest and ben wallace. What are you gonna do w/two past their prime players? Man please.
Shaq's ego is/was just as big and he's just as sensitive. He's as much to blame for the trade as the front office (magic too) for being scared to check both of them for the betterment of the franchise.
Was Shaq in shape? No. Was kobe wrong for mentioning the obvious? probably not. Was Shaq a liability at the end of games? Yes. Was Kobe supposed to bow down simply because he was younger? No.
I'm not even a laker or kobe fan, I just know he's not the villain in this case.
Anonymous ... Thank you.
You need to hollar at my cuz Big J, next.
Anon,
Was Shaq in shape? No. Was kobe wrong for mentioning the obvious? probably not. Was Shaq a liability at the end of games? Yes. Was Kobe supposed to bow down simply because he was younger? No.
Did Shaq snitch on Kobe ?? Nuff said! Punk Ass! BTW Anon didn't Shaq go in to win another ring without "Sir Snitch Alot"! You cats don't understand true ballin. Stay with what you know Golf, Tennis & Polo
"And they loss. Boy he shore could use Shaq !"
Since you didn't respond to my thoughts about how much Kobe is responsible for Shaq being gone, I can only assume you will stipulate at least that none of us know who was the most to blame for that. But you can't be all into the Lakers and not realize that Kobe has been asking for somebody to help him out. That's the whole cruz of his issue. He obviously knows he can't do it all himself, and based on the fact that he has played well with big time talent before it should be safe to assume that he has always known this, and only publicly signed off on Shaq's departure to supoprt the Lakers and because he was under the impression that more help was coming. What he got was Lamar Odum and Smush Parker. Man says he feels like he was let down. I would agree.
"Did Shaq snitch on Kobe ?? Nuff said! Punk Ass!"
ooooooooooooooo! Casper is down with the stop snitchin movement. You got that on a t-shirt bro? lol Really though, this appears to be the crux of your problem with Kobe.
Kobe did some juvenile shit when he got caught with his dick out. Tried to deflect some attention away from his situation. Not the coolest thing to do, but not the end of the world either. Everybody knows NBA players get more than their fair share of willing freaks. Were you never young, dumb and full of cum; or is that still the situation?
EX
"Kobe has been asking for somebody to help him out."
#1 Most of the talented players in the association don't want to play with him after what he did to Shaq. And his low assist avg. Lower than A.I.'s
#2 Because losing Shaq left a big hole in the middle they had to give up all-star Caron Butler to get a center/Kwame. Oh well bad choice but it would not have been made if Sir Snitch wasn't Miss Biatch! And they kept Shaq.
Ex
"Casper is down with the stop snitchin movement."
When it is NOT against the law yes Ex. When your boy tells your woman that your stepping out on her and puts it in the news media as well... That's some punk ass shit!
Ex
"Everybody knows NBA players get more than their fair share of willing freaks. Were you never young, dumb and full of cum; or is that still the situation?"
That's not the point. Shaq could never trust Kobe after that. And nor can other baller's. Would you want to play with a snitch giving details about what everyone already would assume. That's why Shaq's wife started wilding out on him. Kobe screwed himself. Admit it?
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