For fans to "hate", "dislike", "want to trade", "be tired of" arguably one of the greatest basketball superstars in history, is counterintuitive.
Which begs the question why?
The typical response is the male soap opera Casper gave in the Phil Jackson post - where he repeats the tired mainstream spin / propaganda /story of how "Kobe made Shaq leave the Lakers". Like it was that simple.
Even my boy Big J, gives vague half-hearted responses when challenged to explain why he sides with the old gay white team owner and against the young black athlete father and husband.
The "Negro Floggings of The Week" are designed to get black people accustomed to attacking and punishing other blacks for vague reasons suggested by the state.
Whoever said I'm "siding with Buss." That's the way self-conscious, reactionary minds view the matter.
All I said was that I'm not a fan of the brother anymore. It was the snitching on Shaq during the rape deal that did it for me. But the constant crying in the media and dogging out his fellow teammates that didn't help either.
You're trying to make it a race issue, Rev. Sharpton. :-) Just, please, no pics of Kobe's butt crack. LOL.
"All I said was that I'm not a fan of the brother anymore." Big J
All you said? Big J, stop. Come on man.
Your Rap Hate is spreading like athletes foot and now become Rap & Athlete Hate. You are in "Haters Denial".
Let's review your Kobe commentary verbatum:
"Please Trade This Negro" Big J
"Dr. Buss has what, 8 rings? I don't think he found those rings on the side of the road. Yes, Mitch sucks, but I don't even think I could cheer for Kobe again." Big J
"He's such an asshole!!" Big J
"Kobe's just a straight biyatch. Ain't nothin' else to it." Big J
"His own teammates have hated him from Day 1." Big J
Race issue?
Moi? Nah. Not my style.
I'm just pointing out that 1) you have mentioned "butt cracks 7 times in 5 days" and 2)hate Kobe while applauding the old gay white plantation ... excuse me, "team" owner.
Kobe doesn't "bitch in the media". He expresses himself. Which is becoming more and more dangerous for black men.
I'm genuinely fascinated in this peculiar phenomena that would have an intelligent, conscious brotha like Big J, reflexively hate another young black man, not much different than he is, while supporting an opportunistic vulture of an owner who has never dribbled a ball in his life.
We're just from different eras, man. I grew up watching the Magic Johnson Lakers play team-oriented ball and win championships with little to no bitching in the papers.
You cannot deny that Buss is one of the most successful owners in sports - maybe the MOST successful owner.
Kobe is a great player, but he's only got one year left on his contract, so we have to trade him in order to get something for him.
You often claim brothas should stop snitchin' and I agree, but then you defend the ultimate snitch!
Why does my Kobe hate have to be "reflexive." I've been watching the cat since his rookie year, back when you were sellin' hot dogs at Baltimore Orioles games and claimin' DC. :-)
My reasons for not being a Kobe fan was his disregard for those who set the template he was going to follow. Now, I'm no yes sir, yes ma'am kinda person just by virtue of age. You could be a horrible person at 70 and not deserve my respect. That being said, if I was going around town being the new-school 'black personal responsibility' proponent I'd definately be giving the Cos props for the template and providing some mainstream access. That being said, when he started dunking with his tongue out and getting crazy endorsement deals I needed him to respect MJ's template a bit more.
I can see people saying that's not a good enough reason, I was ready to back off of him for a moment.
Then came the comments about black women being mad at him because of his chosen mate and him aknowledging this 'so-called' jealousy in a very nanny-nanny boo-boo-ish way.
Then I was always a bit concerned about the rift with his family...2 sides to every story I know...but I let this assumption pile on to the others.
Then the SNITCHING...that's it...what, maybe he didn't know the rules being raised in Italy and all...um, naw, it just seemed really foul and childish again...kinda squaring with the other reasons I had.
The Shaq deal and he and Phil's rocky roads...I'm not sure about those any more...time has started to paint those situations in a different light.
I'm willing to rethink my position on him and have of late. I'm still not his biggest fan, although he's an incredibly focused talent like Tiger. I'm also willing to let him mature like many folks wouldn't let Iverson do.
As smart as he is though, I just wish he'd give us some Etan Thomas and less of MJ these days. But then again, my sports jones has been lost... Anybody seen it?? LOL
Meaning that people are not hating on him for no reason. People loved MJ to death. What's the difference between the two in terms of basketball talent... Nothing much to hate or dislike so it must be his personality & Denver/Shaq/Family events that rubs some black folk the wrong way. Hey if you believe the polls Mrs. Clinton leads Obama among blacks. Is that hating or just evaluting a person for their character and not their skin color.
"Hey if you believe the polls Mrs. Clinton leads Obama among blacks. Is that hating or just evaluting a person for their character and not their skin color." Casper
Casper, it only proves black people are increasingly conformist and sheep like who do what they are told "MOST" do.
By constantly attacking those of us who dare stray from the norms of expression and thought, it conditions the others to stay withing boundaries defined by others.
Black people voting for Clinton are yearning for the return of Good Massa Bill.
DV "Casper, it only proves black people are increasingly conformist and sheep like who do what they are told "MOST" do."
How is that. I see it just the opposite. If we were sheep we would love Kobe and Obama just because their black. No one told me or my black peers to like Jordan or Tiger. Nor to disike Jordan or Tiger. Once again your argument is not a logical one. What is difference between Kobe , Tiger and Jordan. Nothing in the macro sense but some brothers and sisters aint feeling Kobe because he is lacking that soul connection. Snitching on Shaq over some women shit is violating brother rule #1!! (Man law) See what happens if you do the same to your soul brothers. You'll be place in the penalty box as well.
DV "Where was that "Negro rule" when fat boy snitched on Mike Vick?
If black men don't snitch, why are nearly a million black men in prison based on testimony from informants?
Same Negros claim to hate Kobe "because" he snitched on Shaq were trying to lynch Cam'ron after he attacked snitching to the police on 60 Minutes."
DV you are so on Kobe's jock it aint funny. Shaq did not commit a crime DV. Don't get it twisted Son! Kobe was snitching about some bitch ass shit. Punk ass!
Secondly, if a black, blue, white, yellow man commits a crime against me or my fam. I want someone to tell me who. You would do the same if someone kidnapped your kid. so please don't play that I am down with Cam'ron B.S with us.
DV There is no legitimate reason for basketball fans to hate one of the greatest basketball players of all.
If one is a conformist your correct. However some of us are critical thinkers with the ability to discern a good team player when we see one or not. If Shaq weren't around Kobe would have zero rings!. Nada! None! He is Dominique Wilkins of his time. Highlights and if he weren't in L.A. he would be Garnett to you!
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For fans to "hate", "dislike", "want to trade", "be tired of" arguably one of the greatest basketball superstars in history, is counterintuitive.
Which begs the question why?
The typical response is the male soap opera Casper gave in the Phil Jackson post - where he repeats the tired mainstream spin / propaganda /story of how "Kobe made Shaq leave the Lakers". Like it was that simple.
Even my boy Big J, gives vague half-hearted responses when challenged to explain why he sides with the old gay white team owner and against the young black athlete father and husband.
The "Negro Floggings of The Week" are designed to get black people accustomed to attacking and punishing other blacks for vague reasons suggested by the state.
Evidently, it is working.
Whoever said I'm "siding with Buss." That's the way self-conscious, reactionary minds view the matter.
All I said was that I'm not a fan of the brother anymore. It was the snitching on Shaq during the rape deal that did it for me. But the constant crying in the media and dogging out his fellow teammates that didn't help either.
You're trying to make it a race issue, Rev. Sharpton. :-) Just, please, no pics of Kobe's butt crack. LOL.
"All I said was that I'm not a fan of the brother anymore." Big J
All you said? Big J, stop. Come on man.
Your Rap Hate is spreading like athletes foot and now become Rap & Athlete Hate. You are in "Haters Denial".
Let's review your Kobe commentary verbatum:
"Please Trade This Negro" Big J
"Dr. Buss has what, 8 rings? I don't think he found those rings on the side of the road. Yes, Mitch sucks, but I don't even think I could cheer for Kobe again." Big J
"He's such an asshole!!" Big J
"Kobe's just a straight biyatch. Ain't nothin' else to it." Big J
"His own teammates have hated him from Day 1." Big J
Race issue?
Moi? Nah. Not my style.
I'm just pointing out that 1) you have mentioned "butt cracks 7 times in 5 days" and 2)hate Kobe while applauding the old gay white plantation ... excuse me, "team" owner.
Kobe doesn't "bitch in the media". He expresses himself. Which is becoming more and more dangerous for black men.
I'm genuinely fascinated in this peculiar phenomena that would have an intelligent, conscious brotha like Big J, reflexively hate another young black man, not much different than he is, while supporting an opportunistic vulture of an owner who has never dribbled a ball in his life.
We're just from different eras, man. I grew up watching the Magic Johnson Lakers play team-oriented ball and win championships with little to no bitching in the papers.
You cannot deny that Buss is one of the most successful owners in sports - maybe the MOST successful owner.
Kobe is a great player, but he's only got one year left on his contract, so we have to trade him in order to get something for him.
You often claim brothas should stop snitchin' and I agree, but then you defend the ultimate snitch!
Why does my Kobe hate have to be "reflexive." I've been watching the cat since his rookie year, back when you were sellin' hot dogs at Baltimore Orioles games and claimin' DC. :-)
Is that their problem or Kobe's problem if your stats are accurate?
Assume 9 out of 10 hated John Rocker. Was that their problem or John Rocker's?
I don't know what you mean Casper.
(And by the way. The title of the post is facetious. No such poll exists)
My reasons for not being a Kobe fan was his disregard for those who set the template he was going to follow. Now, I'm no yes sir, yes ma'am kinda person just by virtue of age. You could be a horrible person at 70 and not deserve my respect. That being said, if I was going around town being the new-school 'black personal responsibility' proponent I'd definately be giving the Cos props for the template and providing some mainstream access. That being said, when he started dunking with his tongue out and getting crazy endorsement deals I needed him to respect MJ's template a bit more.
I can see people saying that's not a good enough reason, I was ready to back off of him for a moment.
Then came the comments about black women being mad at him because of his chosen mate and him aknowledging this 'so-called' jealousy in a very nanny-nanny boo-boo-ish way.
Then I was always a bit concerned about the rift with his family...2 sides to every story I know...but I let this assumption pile on to the others.
Then the SNITCHING...that's it...what, maybe he didn't know the rules being raised in Italy and all...um, naw, it just seemed really foul and childish again...kinda squaring with the other reasons I had.
The Shaq deal and he and Phil's rocky roads...I'm not sure about those any more...time has started to paint those situations in a different light.
I'm willing to rethink my position on him and have of late. I'm still not his biggest fan, although he's an incredibly focused talent like Tiger. I'm also willing to let him mature like many folks wouldn't let Iverson do.
As smart as he is though, I just wish he'd give us some Etan Thomas and less of MJ these days. But then again, my sports jones has been lost...
Anybody seen it?? LOL
Meaning that people are not hating on him for no reason. People loved MJ to death. What's the difference between the two in terms of basketball talent... Nothing much to hate or dislike so it must be his personality & Denver/Shaq/Family events that rubs some black folk the wrong way. Hey if you believe the polls Mrs. Clinton leads Obama among blacks. Is that hating or just evaluting a person for their character and not their skin color.
"Hey if you believe the polls Mrs. Clinton leads Obama among blacks. Is that hating or just evaluting a person for their character and not their skin color." Casper
Casper, it only proves black people are increasingly conformist and sheep like who do what they are told "MOST" do.
By constantly attacking those of us who dare stray from the norms of expression and thought, it conditions the others to stay withing boundaries defined by others.
Black people voting for Clinton are yearning for the return of Good Massa Bill.
DV
"Casper, it only proves black people are increasingly conformist and sheep like who do what they are told "MOST" do."
How is that. I see it just the opposite. If we were sheep we would love Kobe and Obama just because their black. No one told me or my black peers to like Jordan or Tiger. Nor to disike Jordan or Tiger. Once again your argument is not a logical one. What is difference between Kobe , Tiger and Jordan. Nothing in the macro sense but some brothers and sisters aint feeling Kobe because he is lacking that soul connection. Snitching on Shaq over some women shit is violating brother rule #1!! (Man law) See what happens if you do the same to your soul brothers. You'll be place in the penalty box as well.
"Snitchin' on Shaq"?
Please.
Where was that "Negro rule" when fat boy snitched on Mike Vick?
If black men don't snitch, why are nearly a million black men in prison based on testimony from informants?
Same Negros claim to hate Kobe "because" he snitched on Shaq were trying to lynch Cam'ron after he attacked snitching to the police on 60 Minutes.
Stop it Casper.
You and Big J, crack me up with these convoluted Freudian explanations for hating young successful black men who just happen to be doing their thing.
There is no legitimate reason for basketball fans to hate one of the greatest basketball players of all.
DV
"Where was that "Negro rule" when fat boy snitched on Mike Vick?
If black men don't snitch, why are nearly a million black men in prison based on testimony from informants?
Same Negros claim to hate Kobe "because" he snitched on Shaq were trying to lynch Cam'ron after he attacked snitching to the police on 60 Minutes."
DV you are so on Kobe's jock it aint funny. Shaq did not commit a crime DV. Don't get it twisted Son!
Kobe was snitching about some bitch ass shit. Punk ass!
Secondly, if a black, blue, white, yellow man commits a crime against me or my fam. I want someone to tell me who. You would do the same if someone kidnapped your kid. so please don't play that I am down with Cam'ron B.S with us.
DV
There is no legitimate reason for basketball fans to hate one of the greatest basketball players of all.
If one is a conformist your correct. However some of us are critical thinkers with the ability to discern a good team player when we see one or not. If Shaq weren't around Kobe would have zero rings!. Nada! None! He is Dominique Wilkins of his time. Highlights and if he weren't in L.A. he would be Garnett to you!
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