Nicki, in my opinion Stokely &'em were developing the attitude for rap culture. They had bravado and carried the signs.
"Guys wanted to beat him Girls wanted to greet him Kids wanted to be him When they saw him in the coliseum"
He might as well had James Jamerson and Benny Benjamin on stage with him when he explained that the Civil Rights Bill was for white people not him; that he already knew he was a human being but as some white people needed that concept written on paper or in the form of a document to understand.
That's the attitude and delivery of a lyricist.
"I got a gold nameplate that says, 'I Wish U Would!'"
And yet the real dilemma is that the black man and his historically evolved provocative ways are increasingly futile amongst a deracinated mass of white self-annihilators. For a lot of those radically autonomous-type blacks this means savagely murdering the closest white zombie without any regard for the blood on your hands. You are just a facilitator in a white person's desire for self-annihilation. Justified. Rationalized. And ALWAYS bolstered at the back end by the history of slavery and racism.
So it isn't so much, "I wish you would" as it is, "I wish I could and I can."
I'm saying that the modern black man as opposed to that old antiquated black man is in no need to provoke. To even attempt to provoke a dead white zombie walking is futile. The radically autonomous black male can simply kill the white zombie and be justified.
No more, "I wish you would [provoke me so I can bust that white azz]."
Now it's, "You're already dead, so I can savagely kill you."
American black man will "liberate" from "white Supremacy" by any means necessary.
Absent this fundamental psychology, an "American black man" does not really exist.
An "American black man" who is indifferent or ignorant to the idea that he must "liberate" from "white Supremacy" is not an American black man in any recognizable fashion FROM whatever perspective one has.
He is a SELF-annihilator.
He is detached from a collective "experience" that forged a particular collective identity. He is alienated in all manners.
Gee - as you pointed out "he already knew he was a human being" - something which Blacks of Carribean descent have always shown the world by producing greatness such as: Kwame Ture Marcus Garvey Toussaint L'Ouverture Malcolm X Denmark Vesey Frantz Fanon Ivan Van Sertima and the world's only successful slave revolt - HAITI! Unmatched, unflinching, unbridled!
I was just teas'n TD. I actually had no idea what you were saying. But you did bring me two posts closer to your point.
What I'm saying is LL Cool J's rhyme is customized on Stokely's mugshot nameplate.
LL is not my all time favorite rapper
Stokely is not my all time favorite activist.
I should not have to spell that out but I'm putting the art in slow mo' for now.
Artistically, the mugshot and the lyrics come together; their form intersects; they share a common aesthetic.
This TD is the evolution of an aesthetic. When you sum up all of your "self-annihilators" and "radical autonomators" into a rhyme loaded with bravado, style, attitude and confidence, where do you think all of that evolved from?
Edgar Allan Poe, Emily Dickinson, William Shakespeare, Henry Wadsworth Longfellow?
or
some Stokely shades, Run DMC laceless Adidas & dookie gold ropes, a Black Panther leather jacket, a James Brown hook, a James Cagney soundbite, an Ali pre-fight poem, a Detroit Red mugshot?
Where?
Biz Markie once single-handedly defeated an entire crew of MC's in a freestyle battle just by doing the Biz dance. They couldn't respond. He evolved the art in the mid-battle.
Does that make sense? Aesthetically, artistically, yes.
Stokely/ LL...that's why they make sense. That's what my 1st post abbreviated.
Since all those contemporary cats you reference are/were into the "art of liberation" then their "artistic displays" are ALWAYS up for radical re-interpretation.
You're an artist.
But you are not a Supremacist.
You don't and won't make art that transcends the worldly.
So what kind of "art" does an anti-Supremacist make?
He makes "art" that is susceptible to a "truthful" interpretation which may lie completely external to his intent.
You had to explain to me some of the background story for this piece of digital "art" that I was not aware of. My interpretation did not regard these details of the production one bit. And yet, your inquiry suggests that it should.
You're trying to have your cake and eat it, too.
I should understand the underlying details of this "digital art" production before making an interpretation.
But really, only a truthful interpretation DEFINES real art.
That piece up there in the context of America is a piece of "black" liberationist propaganda FROM THE THROWBACK.
Who is this supposed to bite?
Is propaganda, art?
So actually, in my interpretation, you're asking me to be like Shakespeare and Longfellow instead of Stokely and LL Cool J.
You put out this piece with an underlying structure that only you are completely aware of. You have intent to reach a certain interpretation, but at the same time and because you are working from a "liberationist" perspective, you create a puzzle of images that has your onlookers questioning. Analyzing. Interpreting.
Of course, because your "art" is so "open" it is susceptible to a particular interpretation that MAY LEAVE lasting impression. This interpretation may be that one "truthful" interpretation that defines your "art" in a manner entirely antithetical to your intent.
One of the defining features of the "liberated artist" is his penchant for leaving the spectators completely puzzled.
You have a humble internet personality to contrast with my "bravado" and "attitude," but you are still the liberated artist, an entity of which humility does not come to mind.
I speak out against SELF-annihilation.
There is not a foundation of "bravado" and "attitude" from whence this message springs forth.
It's just simple truth. Articulated in simple words. Fashioned in simple sentences. That rhyme.
Radical liberationists are SELF-annihilators.
"Black" liberationists are SELF-annihilators.
"White" liberationists are SELF-annihilators.
Each facilitates the other's SELF-annihilation.
There just are no black Supremacists on the scene. The liberation from "white supremacy" is too absolutely ingrained in the American black man's psyche. It has reached global memetic status such that a non-American black man creates American black man propaganda. This becomes a reinforcing mechanism. The pressure to maintain this encapsulating memetic paradigm is aggressively and increasingly palpable to the adherent.
Only the white Supremacist can save us ALL from this descent, but he is a rare and dying breed and the "black" liberationist has prideful blood on his hands.
I got time... so i flow u know, u caught up in a paradigm launched before yur time... u gots the remnants yur "art" 50 years back on the timeline... black flash mobs in the real time, what defines, the struggle in the black mind... the center of the meme define the outlines u really outside the guidelines "black" liberation progressed but u finite bound to be eclipsed yur "art" is pasttime...
Get bold GeeChee... get at the center the meme
and let yur brain find American black man ethos its anti-Supremacy...
"If you remember what an author says, you have learned something from reading him. If what he says is true, you have even learned something about the world. But whether it is a fact about the book or a fact about the world that you have learned, you have gained nothing but information if you have exercised only your memory. You have not been enlightened. Enlightenment is achieved only when, in addition to knowing what an author says, you know what he means and why he says it."
Never said I understood, only that I was brought two posts closer.
All the "art that I don't and won't make," and "can't eat a cake" that I created the recipe for...then thinking it was a radical chocolate autonomy upside down cake when the ingredients suggest otherwise...I thought, I'm trying to coach someone into reading charged imagery when they wouldn't know art if their name was Garfunkel and worked at MoMA.
Everything is a throw back TD Today's grunge skateboarding are throwbacks w/ a dash of skinny jeans and sparkling glitter Lil Wayne doing a throwback to Steve Steadham 50 cent & Jay Z supporting the president is a Jackie Robinson and Joe Louis throwback Crazy jewelry is a throwback to Slick Rick Your Kool Moe D rhymes are throwbacks Your argument isn't new, it's a throwback 9/11 is a Operation Northwoods throwback, an Oklahoma City bombing throwback NWA mugshots are throwbacks to a Stokely mugshot Ghetto Boys mugshot is a throw back to Al Capone mugshots... or a Detroit Red mugshot, a Wallace Dodd Ford mugshot Public Enemy is a throwback to James Cagney or the straight man and the clown MJ & Prince are throwbacks to James Brown Who knows James Holmes might be a CIA Timothy McVeigh throwback Obama is a black messiah throwback Master Lock are not making new numbers, they make new combinations from throwback numbers
You got this "piece." It's "charged." But what does it mean?If it has infinite interpretations does it mean anything at all or does it mean infinite things? If it has one meaning does that mean it's heavily "charged?" If it has infinite meaning, is the "charge" infinitely blunted?
Here it is...
The "piece" is an effect, a consequence, a gateway into that meme that produced it through strict obedience.
this piece memetic effect immune response vaccine schedule black male born inject manufacture defect I can detect inspect and dissect the "black" liberation mindset it's on reset but surely obedient to a preset programming station he cannot reject less he self-annihilates liberates and then selects an image of himself cnu... reflects his reflex is pretext act before thought a radically autonomous flex an obedience to the meme keeps the black male in check...
You w/ “The One Who Flew the Cuckoo” crew I don’t speak your goonigoogoo As loonies do whatever you see dude Looks radical auton like Tootsies* do No score TD back to your huddle pack your duffle lil Tribble trying to make trouble you a rerun like Pete fell off the fence turnbuckle You couldn’t see me w/ the Hubble You less norse god but more Barney Rubble My serif is Coltrane from the glottal You a Sheriff P. Coltrane chuckle Serve you with vitamins that’s essential You got ate up like levitated tentacles
lil Tribble trying to make trouble you a rerun like Pete fell off the fence turnbuckle You couldn’t see me w/ the Hubble You less norse god but more Barney Rubble
You couldn’t see me w/ the Hubble You couldn’t see me w/ the Hubble You couldn’t see me w/ the Hubble
You couldn’t see me w/ the Hubble You couldn’t see me w/ the Hubble You couldn’t see me w/ the Hubble
no sheeeit, Erkel cuz u invisible undefinable radically autonomous that's undeniable cnu the stunted double the new newlywed couple tag team trouble "black" liberationists served up and muddled the art... be deep as a puddle still ain't shared a charged piece so subtle the only one it shocked is nobody, brother it's nigel agitprop with an antique cover...
This is what white art critics tend to do to black artists sometimes. Because you’re a black artist your art will inherently speak about racism, politics, slavery or the hardships of growing up and struggling with your complexion. If I paint an apple, some critic somewhere would somehow find a way to reference Native Son or Invisible Man in that piece of fruit. Not knocking it but I’m saying cats like you do it all the time. That’s why I said what you’re arguing is not new…a throw back. That’s why when TD saw Stokely you damn near had a radical autonomy attack.
You can’t see the parallels, intersections, evolution of culture/ aesthetics. You don’t get the transition from jump blues to rock because you get hung up on what the politics of the blues musicians were. What matters about the piece is dark matter in your sight, that’s why it’s invisible to you.
If you want to get literal about reading this image why not reference the story behind it in which Stokely was jailed for the Freedom Rides?
According to your logic, using this 1961 Jackson, Mississippi photo would be GCV’s gesture of becoming a radical integrationist. You can’t understand how collage is the art of sampling; how rap can sample the form without being locked into the content. It’s because you are a “white literalist” on some “radical autohypnosis.”
You can’t wish away the fact that rap culture evolved out of black resistance just as it’s kinfolk, punk music evolved out of white resistance.
If you want to apply a literal interpretation to what this image is connected to, why stop with photographic art? Extend your analysis to the very rap you use in your posts.
Afrika Bambaata, the Godfather of hip hop use to hang out at Black Panther information spots. Seems as if the rap you love to use is "any means necessary... FROM.BACK.IN.THE.DAY. Maybe you're unconscious about all this? Maybe you're in a state of radical autonomy” TD. Perhaps you use black resistance rap because you have a “black liberation mindset on reset.”
You can’t wish away the fact that rap culture evolved out of black resistance You can’t wish away the fact that rap culture evolved out of black resistance You can’t wish away the fact that rap culture evolved out of black resistance
You CAN wish away the historical fact that black culture IS the bell curve of oppositionality to the interpersonal evil of white abductor culture.
Black culture is a uniquely American phenomenon running the gamut of abject submission to supreme conquest mediated by the broad hump of quiet and comfortable assimilation.
Maybe you're in a state of radical autonomy” TD.
rotflmbao..., nah, he's just stupid, ignorant, and infantile - obsessively, rhetorically, acting-out against what he's incapable of understanding.
[quote]You CAN wish away the historical fact that black culture IS the bell curve of oppositionality to the interpersonal evil of white abductor culture. [/quote]
It is ALSO true that when BLACK POLITICAL ACTION promotes FAVORABLE PROGRESSIVES into POWER - that BLACK OPPOSITIONAL FORCE seems to clam up significantly.
They always seem capable in convincing enough Negroes that IF they do speak out - this would harm the favorable presiding power, allowing the COMMON ENEMY to return back to power - and then they'll be DEPRESSED in addition to being OPPRESSED by the government.
lol, then you and the forces of abject submission need to do a more effective job of convincing those broad hump of the bell curve negroes that their interests are better served by abject submission Bro. Feed.
Mebbe you can hold a big eat-in at Chik-Fil-A and you can leverage on the special relationship between broad hump negroes and the bird?
No temperature increases over here. This is meme warfare. You know this, man. I can only go so GeeChee deep over these internets.
This piece is out and subject to interpretation. That's the cost of being an artist.
My interpretation is meant to stick because your interpretation has a whole elaborate back story only privy to the artist and those he lets in.
To be truthful, I had no idea who the black man was nor did I recognize the caption as being an LL Cool J phrase. Those things were minor details in the "bigger picture."
Now, no doubt there are black artists that create things entirely unrelated to the "struggle," but that's not what you distributed here.
You distributed a charged piece that is meant to provoke the white man...
But now you're vacillating...
Now this is really about the white man (TD) trying to create provocation in what is nothing more than art.
Come on GeeChee...
WHAT.DOES.THIS.PIECE.SAY?
Or does it say many different things to many different people?
What state of existence is a "thing" that can say "many different things" to many different people?
This is yur avatar, magne... gateway to that soul in yur brain, i sit here, type try to maintain the meme u obedient to kick start the reverse psychology game...
"This piece is out and subject to interpretation. That's the cost of being an artist."- TD
That's the cost of not cutting and pasting a quote so Google could spoon feed your brain.
TD, feel free to always conduct your own investigations or continue to make conjecture. That's your blind spot not [GC]Vision problems.
It doesn't matter if you knew who it was or the origin of the text.
What you were expected to be competent enough to do was to recognize that it was a mugshot of a person with a nameplate that read "I wish you would."
If you discovered 10 years later this was Stokely & 20 years after that LL's lyrics, then good for you, you are right on time for TD. Listening to "Songs in the Key of Life" again, I just got a rap lyric that was dropped back in '93. What's this drive through ready to go information source you've constructed about the world?
If something someone says from Japan becomes subject to your interpretation, you don't reason that's the cost of speaking Japanese. No, either you ask somebody, learn the language or as CNu said, you're just "incapable of understanding."
Could you imagine going to the museum and after having been intrigued by a piece of art pulling out the smartphone to attempt to google its meaning?
LOL...
Why do you keep repeating me while attempting to avoid the question?
GeeChee says snidely...
It doesn't matter if you knew who it was or the origin of the text.
But TD already said kindly...
You had to explain to me some of the background story... My interpretation did not regard these details.... one bit. And yet, your inquiry suggests that it should.
and
To be truthful, I had no idea who the black man was nor did I recognize the caption as being an LL Cool J phrase. Those things were minor details in the "bigger picture."
ALL.THAT.MATTERS
Is thus...
This is a piece of "black" liberationist agitprop in which the distributor of such identifies himself as obedient to the black man's signifying meme.
Or not...
Maybe he's just rearguard and brings the young ones into the fold?
Being obedient to an all-pervasive meme seems to put a crimp on one's autonomy in a radical manner.
GCV: Curses TD, you worked out my radical autonomous riddle. You dropped your logic cargo net on me while I was busy identifying my obedience to the black man's signifying meme.
I would've gotten away if it weren't for your meddling.
TD: Sampling & appropriating imagery never pays villain. I'll leave you here till the proper image authorities arrive.
I leave you alone after this TD, it's really easy to get. Let's prove CNu wrong. He thinks your incapable of getting it. I believe in you TD! Don't make me look silly in front of the fellas, I know you can do it!
Your internet avatar is "just an act" of appropriation. That's all we need to know.
{snickers}
You're just doing 1+2=3 in "art form" of course.
That's it. That's all.
{snickers some more}
Oh... Did I notice that you neither confirmed nor denied the signifying meme IN PLAIN English (as you've already done so with your appropriated "art" distribution)?
Come GeeChee...
Prove that you are not in a state of radical autonomy. Take a particular stance on the signifying meme less you fear the minimization of your autonomy that will inevitably follow your decision?
won't answer the meme cuz he detect trap set that let TD win no matter how he bet i bet u stay silent on the 64K question its implications and why we met u lil' bugs in my net...
"What he meme when he say you can't float in between?"
u lose your identity a "conscious" machine programmed to seek maximum autonomy to its logical extreme
u become a metameme
u inside and outside this meme transcending these boundaries u above this meme
feed, treat it, and caress this meme
u a metameme...
inside and outside this meme
radically autonomous
know what I meme?
Of course not...
u radically autonomous.
Can't know what I meme...
u metameme...
outside these memes detached indifferent 'til u inside this meme then u intimate impassioned u distribute this meme u, "black" liberationist u give meaning to this meme u meet white Supremacy
@Big Don: Please don't ever attempt to demonstrate. Your boy Thordaddy's efforts at rhyming have earned him a perpetual spot in the "play on your own level" hall of shame...,
@CNu: lol, you never hear anybody who avoids Chinese people just bounce up and announce he speaks Chinese. But somehow the BD gene is forever expressing itself.
imitation the sincerest form of flattery makes TD/BD racial "realist" black man wannabes...,
nothing dude are u a black man who oppressed by "white Supremacy" has to do what he has to do???
Any Means Necessary...
that's the glue
Any Memes Necessary...
that's the clue
yur radical autonomy help stew the stew get called out and refuse to muse
on the nigel question
and how he seek to fuse a "black" liberation that will refuse to stand in spot before he choose to change his spot and change his spot reform his views seek black Supremacy and earn his due...
If cats like Cnu and GeeChee ARE NOT seeking to "liberate" from "white Supremacy" by any means necessary then why should any other black man think he had to do the same?
Why is this meme so strong and infectious BUT totally unnecessary to those that should most value its precepts?
@TD - I'm confused... In what way does "White Supremacy" affect anyone? 99.99 percent of the white people with whom I will ever come into contact will never be able to do anything to or for me - why should I be concerned with their thinking?
White Supremacy has NOTHING to do with the black man, but almost all conscious black men have been thoroughly bamboozled into believing they have to seek liberation from it.
The general definition of a "black man" is one who seeks liberation from "white supremacy." Without the signifying obedience to this meme, the "black man" isn't really seen as a black man.
Fact is... Most black men have never even come within a million miles of a genuine white Supremacist, but he's still the boogie man that lurks everywhere and even looks like a killer Mestizo every so often.
The beloved brother Kwame Ture - always "ready for the revolution" - may his soul be granted the jannah!
ReplyDeleteNicki, in my opinion Stokely &'em were developing the attitude for rap culture. They had bravado and carried the signs.
ReplyDelete"Guys wanted to beat him
Girls wanted to greet him
Kids wanted to be him
When they saw him in the coliseum"
He might as well had James Jamerson and Benny Benjamin on stage with him when he explained that the Civil Rights Bill was for white people not him; that he already knew he was a human being but as some white people needed that concept written on paper or in the form of a document to understand.
That's the attitude and delivery of a lyricist.
"I got a gold nameplate that says, 'I Wish U Would!'"
And yet the real dilemma is that the black man and his historically evolved provocative ways are increasingly futile amongst a deracinated mass of white self-annihilators. For a lot of those radically autonomous-type blacks this means savagely murdering the closest white zombie without any regard for the blood on your hands. You are just a facilitator in a white person's desire for self-annihilation. Justified. Rationalized. And ALWAYS bolstered at the back end by the history of slavery and racism.
ReplyDeleteSo it isn't so much, "I wish you would" as it is, "I wish I could and I can."
TD, are you saying what I think you're saying?
ReplyDeleteI'm saying that the modern black man as opposed to that old antiquated black man is in no need to provoke. To even attempt to provoke a dead white zombie walking is futile. The radically autonomous black male can simply kill the white zombie and be justified.
ReplyDeleteNo more, "I wish you would [provoke me so I can bust that white azz]."
Now it's, "You're already dead, so I can savagely kill you."
GeeChee,
ReplyDeleteYou have to understand the basic premise.
American black man will "liberate" from "white Supremacy" by any means necessary.
Absent this fundamental psychology, an "American black man" does not really exist.
An "American black man" who is indifferent or ignorant to the idea that he must "liberate" from "white Supremacy" is not an American black man in any recognizable fashion FROM whatever perspective one has.
He is a SELF-annihilator.
He is detached from a collective "experience" that forged a particular collective identity. He is alienated in all manners.
Radically autonomous.
Our Esteemed Ancestor Stokely Standiford Churchill Carmichael/Kwame Ture
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUznyGRV05c&feature=related
Gee - as you pointed out "he already knew he was a human being" - something which Blacks of Carribean descent have always shown the world by producing greatness such as:
ReplyDeleteKwame Ture
Marcus Garvey
Toussaint L'Ouverture
Malcolm X
Denmark Vesey
Frantz Fanon
Ivan Van Sertima
and the world's only successful slave revolt - HAITI!
Unmatched, unflinching, unbridled!
I was just teas'n TD. I actually had no idea what you were saying. But you did bring me two posts closer to your point.
ReplyDeleteWhat I'm saying is LL Cool J's rhyme is customized on Stokely's mugshot nameplate.
LL is not my all time favorite rapper
Stokely is not my all time favorite activist.
I should not have to spell that out but I'm putting the art in slow mo' for now.
Artistically, the mugshot and the lyrics come together; their form intersects; they share a common aesthetic.
This TD is the evolution of an aesthetic. When you sum up all of your "self-annihilators" and "radical autonomators" into a rhyme loaded with bravado, style, attitude and confidence, where do you think all of that evolved from?
Edgar Allan Poe, Emily Dickinson, William Shakespeare, Henry Wadsworth Longfellow?
or
some Stokely shades, Run DMC laceless Adidas & dookie gold ropes, a Black Panther leather jacket, a James Brown hook, a James Cagney soundbite, an Ali pre-fight poem, a Detroit Red mugshot?
Where?
Biz Markie once single-handedly defeated an entire crew of MC's in a freestyle battle just by doing the Biz dance. They couldn't respond. He evolved the art in the mid-battle.
Does that make sense? Aesthetically, artistically, yes.
Stokely/ LL...that's why they make sense. That's what my 1st post abbreviated.
GeeChee,
ReplyDeleteNeither...
Since all those contemporary cats you reference are/were into the "art of liberation" then their "artistic displays" are ALWAYS up for radical re-interpretation.
You're an artist.
But you are not a Supremacist.
You don't and won't make art that transcends the worldly.
So what kind of "art" does an anti-Supremacist make?
He makes "art" that is susceptible to a "truthful" interpretation which may lie completely external to his intent.
You had to explain to me some of the background story for this piece of digital "art" that I was not aware of. My interpretation did not regard these details of the production one bit. And yet, your inquiry suggests that it should.
You're trying to have your cake and eat it, too.
I should understand the underlying details of this "digital art" production before making an interpretation.
But really, only a truthful interpretation DEFINES real art.
That piece up there in the context of America is a piece of "black" liberationist propaganda FROM THE THROWBACK.
Who is this supposed to bite?
Is propaganda, art?
So actually, in my interpretation, you're asking me to be like Shakespeare and Longfellow instead of Stokely and LL Cool J.
See GeeChee,
ReplyDeleteYou put out this piece with an underlying structure that only you are completely aware of. You have intent to reach a certain interpretation, but at the same time and because you are working from a "liberationist" perspective, you create a puzzle of images that has your onlookers questioning. Analyzing. Interpreting.
Of course, because your "art" is so "open" it is susceptible to a particular interpretation that MAY LEAVE lasting impression. This interpretation may be that one "truthful" interpretation that defines your "art" in a manner entirely antithetical to your intent.
One of the defining features of the "liberated artist" is his penchant for leaving the spectators completely puzzled.
My interpretation looks to solve these puzzles.
GeeChee,
ReplyDeleteYou have a humble internet personality to contrast with my "bravado" and "attitude," but you are still the liberated artist, an entity of which humility does not come to mind.
I speak out against SELF-annihilation.
There is not a foundation of "bravado" and "attitude" from whence this message springs forth.
It's just simple truth. Articulated in simple words. Fashioned in simple sentences. That rhyme.
Radical liberationists are SELF-annihilators.
"Black" liberationists are SELF-annihilators.
"White" liberationists are SELF-annihilators.
Each facilitates the other's SELF-annihilation.
There just are no black Supremacists on the scene. The liberation from "white supremacy" is too absolutely ingrained in the American black man's psyche. It has reached global memetic status such that a non-American black man creates American black man propaganda. This becomes a reinforcing mechanism. The pressure to maintain this encapsulating memetic paradigm is aggressively and increasingly palpable to the adherent.
Only the white Supremacist can save us ALL from this descent, but he is a rare and dying breed and the "black" liberationist has prideful blood on his hands.
See Gee,
ReplyDeleteI got time...
so i flow
u know,
u caught up in a paradigm
launched before yur time...
u gots the remnants
yur "art"
50 years back on the timeline...
black flash mobs
in the real time,
what defines,
the struggle
in the black mind...
the center of the meme
define the outlines
u really outside the guidelines
"black" liberation progressed
but u finite
bound to be eclipsed
yur "art" is pasttime...
Get bold GeeChee...
get at the center the meme
and let yur brain find
American black man ethos
its anti-Supremacy...
And then design...
"If you remember what an author says, you have learned something from reading him. If what he says is true, you have even learned something about the world. But whether it is a fact about the book or a fact about the world that you have learned, you have gained nothing but information if you have exercised only your memory. You have not been enlightened. Enlightenment is achieved only when, in addition to knowing what an author says, you know what he means and why he says it."
ReplyDelete-Mortimer J. Adler, How To Read A Book
Why do poets write poetry? Why don't they just say what they mean and be done with it?
ReplyDeleteSubstitute a poet with a visual artist and you are basically arguing this point, yet you turn around and write a rhyme.
You're trying to have your cake and eat it, too.
ReplyDelete'tha phuk else cake made for?
@GCV;
I actually had no idea what you were saying. But you did bring me two posts closer to your point.
You have any earthly idea WTF TD is talking about?
Never said I understood, only that I was brought two posts closer.
ReplyDeleteAll the "art that I don't and won't make," and "can't eat a cake" that I created the recipe for...then thinking it was a radical chocolate autonomy upside down cake when the ingredients suggest otherwise...I thought, I'm trying to coach someone into reading charged imagery when they wouldn't know art if their name was Garfunkel and worked at MoMA.
"There just are no black Supremacists on the scene. " TD
ReplyDelete... {cough cough}
DV...
ReplyDeleteYou're always the default exception...
Though you knew?
^^^ [Thought] you knew?
ReplyDeleteawwww....., how bromantic.
ReplyDeleteCome on GeeChee,
ReplyDeleteI read your "charged imagery" and let you know how outdated it is...
LL Cool J is at least 20 years off the scene and Carmichael??? Who? Some psuedo-American that swallowed the meme whole?
Start here my brother...
The American Black Man will "liberate" from "white supremacy" by any means necessary.
The identity is forged. The meme is universal. All-encompassing.
The only question is where that American black man stands in the continuum?
Your "art" is a throwback to an "American black man" from the past.
The black flash mob isn't being arrested and saying, "I wish you would."
Nah man...
The radical "black" liberationist is free as a jungle cat roaring, "I wish I could and I can."
Update that "charged imagery" to reflect REAL TIME.
That would be bold.
In the meantime, your "art" is just a reflection of your stunted "progression" and ultimate liberation.
Get it? Nope... The radically autonomous just pretend to not get it.
Dudes are on the detach. But then they're not.
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ReplyDeleteEverything is a throw back TD
ReplyDeleteToday's grunge skateboarding are throwbacks
w/ a dash of skinny jeans and sparkling glitter
Lil Wayne doing a throwback to Steve Steadham
50 cent & Jay Z supporting the president is a Jackie Robinson and Joe Louis throwback
Crazy jewelry is a throwback to Slick Rick
Your Kool Moe D rhymes are throwbacks
Your argument isn't new, it's a throwback
9/11 is a Operation Northwoods throwback, an Oklahoma City bombing throwback
NWA mugshots are throwbacks to a Stokely mugshot
Ghetto Boys mugshot is a throw back to Al Capone mugshots...
or a Detroit Red mugshot, a Wallace Dodd Ford mugshot
Public Enemy is a throwback to James Cagney or the straight man and the clown
MJ & Prince are throwbacks to James Brown
Who knows James Holmes might be a CIA Timothy McVeigh throwback
Obama is a black messiah throwback
Master Lock are not making new numbers, they make new combinations from throwback numbers
that's not my art, it's just my icon photoshop scribblings just so happened to become the topic of discussion.
ReplyDeleteCnu???
ReplyDeleteA pro-homosexual integrationist that mocks bromances...
Yeah... You eat that cake, too
So GeeChee...
ReplyDeleteYou're just a distributor of "any means necessary" agitprop?
Or this is just "art?"
GeeChee...
ReplyDeleteYou got this "piece." It's "charged." But what does it mean?If it has infinite interpretations does it mean anything at all or does it mean infinite things? If it has one meaning does that mean it's heavily "charged?" If it has infinite meaning, is the "charge" infinitely blunted?
Here it is...
The "piece" is an effect, a consequence, a gateway into that meme that produced it through strict obedience.
That "piece" is "any means necessary..."
FROM.BACK.IN.THE.DAY.
Maybe you're unconcious about all this?
Maybe you're in a state of radical autonomy...
It's your escape method.
more content please....
ReplyDeletethis piece
ReplyDeletememetic effect
immune response
vaccine schedule
black male born
inject
manufacture defect
I can detect
inspect
and dissect
the "black" liberation mindset
it's on reset
but surely obedient
to a preset
programming station
he cannot reject
less he self-annihilates
liberates
and then selects
an image of himself
cnu...
reflects
his reflex
is pretext
act before thought
a radically autonomous flex
an obedience to the meme
keeps the black male in check...
You w/ “The One Who Flew the Cuckoo” crew
ReplyDeleteI don’t speak your goonigoogoo
As loonies do whatever you see dude
Looks radical auton like Tootsies* do
No score TD back to your huddle
pack your duffle
lil Tribble trying to make trouble
you a rerun like Pete fell off the fence turnbuckle
You couldn’t see me w/ the Hubble
You less norse god but more Barney Rubble
My serif is Coltrane from the glottal
You a Sheriff P. Coltrane chuckle
Serve you with vitamins that’s essential
You got ate up like levitated tentacles
*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qayjR8Qbyfc
lil Tribble trying to make trouble
ReplyDeleteyou a rerun like Pete fell off the fence turnbuckle
You couldn’t see me w/ the Hubble
You less norse god but more Barney Rubble
You couldn’t see me w/ the Hubble
You couldn’t see me w/ the Hubble
You couldn’t see me w/ the Hubble
a radically autonomous bruvva
peeping, clocking, studying
radically autonomous bruvvaz'
4-dimensional chess games...,
vs.
a checkers-playing white boy
with grape juice breath
graham cracker crumbs
and dirty, stinky little fingers...,
rotflmbao..., priceless!
I figured that I would come to this blog and see Brother DV giving props to Gabby Douglas, seeing that he has a little ballerina of his own.
ReplyDeleteYou couldn’t see me w/ the Hubble
ReplyDeleteYou couldn’t see me w/ the Hubble
You couldn’t see me w/ the Hubble
no sheeeit, Erkel
cuz u invisible
undefinable
radically autonomous
that's undeniable
cnu
the stunted double
the new newlywed couple
tag team trouble
"black" liberationists
served up and muddled
the art...
be deep as a puddle
still ain't shared
a charged piece so subtle
the only one it shocked
is nobody, brother
it's nigel agitprop
with an antique cover...
Don’t let your thermometer boil over TD.
ReplyDeleteLook…
This is what white art critics tend to do to black artists sometimes. Because you’re a black artist your art will inherently speak about racism, politics, slavery or the hardships of growing up and struggling with your complexion. If I paint an apple, some critic somewhere would somehow find a way to reference Native Son or Invisible Man in that piece of fruit. Not knocking it but I’m saying cats like you do it all the time. That’s why I said what you’re arguing is not new…a throw back. That’s why when TD saw Stokely you damn near had a radical autonomy attack.
You can’t see the parallels, intersections, evolution of culture/ aesthetics. You don’t get the transition from jump blues to rock because you get hung up on what the politics of the blues musicians were. What matters about the piece is dark matter in your sight, that’s why it’s invisible to you.
If you want to get literal about reading this image why not reference the story behind it in which Stokely was jailed for the Freedom Rides?
According to your logic, using this 1961 Jackson, Mississippi photo would be GCV’s gesture of becoming a radical integrationist. You can’t understand how collage is the art of sampling; how rap can sample the form without being locked into the content. It’s because you are a “white literalist” on some “radical autohypnosis.”
You can’t wish away the fact that rap culture evolved out of black resistance just as it’s kinfolk, punk music evolved out of white resistance.
If you want to apply a literal interpretation to what this image is connected to, why stop with photographic art? Extend your analysis to the very rap you use in your posts.
Afrika Bambaata, the Godfather of hip hop use to hang out at Black Panther information spots. Seems as if the rap you love to use is "any means necessary... FROM.BACK.IN.THE.DAY. Maybe you're unconscious about all this? Maybe you're in a state of radical autonomy” TD. Perhaps you use black resistance rap because you have a “black liberation mindset on reset.”
You can’t wish away the fact that rap culture evolved out of black resistance
ReplyDeleteYou can’t wish away the fact that rap culture evolved out of black resistance
You can’t wish away the fact that rap culture evolved out of black resistance
You CAN wish away the historical fact that black culture IS the bell curve of oppositionality to the interpersonal evil of white abductor culture.
Black culture is a uniquely American phenomenon running the gamut of abject submission to supreme conquest mediated by the broad hump of quiet and comfortable assimilation.
Maybe you're in a state of radical autonomy” TD.
rotflmbao..., nah, he's just stupid, ignorant, and infantile - obsessively, rhetorically, acting-out against what he's incapable of understanding.
[quote]You CAN wish away the historical fact that black culture IS the bell curve of oppositionality to the interpersonal evil of white abductor culture. [/quote]
ReplyDeleteIt is ALSO true that when BLACK POLITICAL ACTION promotes FAVORABLE PROGRESSIVES into POWER - that BLACK OPPOSITIONAL FORCE seems to clam up significantly.
They always seem capable in convincing enough Negroes that IF they do speak out - this would harm the favorable presiding power, allowing the COMMON ENEMY to return back to power - and then they'll be DEPRESSED in addition to being OPPRESSED by the government.
lol, then you and the forces of abject submission need to do a more effective job of convincing those broad hump of the bell curve negroes that their interests are better served by abject submission Bro. Feed.
ReplyDeleteMebbe you can hold a big eat-in at Chik-Fil-A and you can leverage on the special relationship between broad hump negroes and the bird?
GeeChee,
ReplyDeleteNo temperature increases over here. This is meme warfare. You know this, man. I can only go so GeeChee deep over these internets.
This piece is out and subject to interpretation. That's the cost of being an artist.
My interpretation is meant to stick because your interpretation has a whole elaborate back story only privy to the artist and those he lets in.
To be truthful, I had no idea who the black man was nor did I recognize the caption as being an LL Cool J phrase. Those things were minor details in the "bigger picture."
Now, no doubt there are black artists that create things entirely unrelated to the "struggle," but that's not what you distributed here.
You distributed a charged piece that is meant to provoke the white man...
But now you're vacillating...
Now this is really about the white man (TD) trying to create provocation in what is nothing more than art.
Come on GeeChee...
WHAT.DOES.THIS.PIECE.SAY?
Or does it say many different things to many different people?
What state of existence is a "thing" that can say "many different things" to many different people?
GeeChee,
ReplyDeleteThis is yur avatar, magne...
gateway to that soul in yur brain,
i sit here, type
try to maintain
the meme u obedient to
kick start the reverse psychology game...
I want u to be a black Supremacist.
Get it? Get it, magne...
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ReplyDelete"This piece is out and subject to interpretation. That's the cost of being an artist."- TD
ReplyDeleteThat's the cost of not cutting and pasting a quote so Google could spoon feed your brain.
TD, feel free to always conduct your own investigations or continue to make conjecture. That's your blind spot not [GC]Vision problems.
It doesn't matter if you knew who it was or the origin of the text.
What you were expected to be competent enough to do was to recognize that it was a mugshot of a person with a nameplate that read "I wish you would."
If you discovered 10 years later this was Stokely & 20 years after that LL's lyrics, then good for you, you are right on time for TD. Listening to "Songs in the Key of Life" again, I just got a rap lyric that was dropped back in '93. What's this drive through ready to go information source you've constructed about the world?
If something someone says from Japan becomes subject to your interpretation, you don't reason that's the cost of speaking Japanese. No, either you ask somebody, learn the language or as CNu said, you're just "incapable of understanding."
GeeChee,
ReplyDeleteCould you imagine going to the museum and after having been intrigued by a piece of art pulling out the smartphone to attempt to google its meaning?
LOL...
Why do you keep repeating me while attempting to avoid the question?
GeeChee says snidely...
It doesn't matter if you knew who it was or the origin of the text.
But TD already said kindly...
You had to explain to me some of the background story... My interpretation did not regard these details.... one bit. And yet, your inquiry suggests that it should.
and
To be truthful, I had no idea who the black man was nor did I recognize the caption as being an LL Cool J phrase. Those things were minor details in the "bigger picture."
ALL.THAT.MATTERS
Is thus...
This is a piece of "black" liberationist agitprop in which the distributor of such identifies himself as obedient to the black man's signifying meme.
Or not...
Maybe he's just rearguard and brings the young ones into the fold?
Being obedient to an all-pervasive meme seems to put a crimp on one's autonomy in a radical manner.
GCV: Curses TD, you worked out my radical autonomous riddle. You dropped your logic cargo net on me while I was busy identifying my obedience to the black man's signifying meme.
ReplyDeleteI would've gotten away if it weren't for your meddling.
TD: Sampling & appropriating imagery never pays villain. I'll leave you here till the proper image authorities arrive.
Here's the black man's signifying meme...
ReplyDeleteI will liberate from "white Supremacy" by any means necessary.
Obedience to this meme MAKES the black man A Black Man. Signifying.
The ignorance or insensitivity to this meme MAKES a black man into a "black" liberationist.
You dig?
Cat like you, though...
He tries to float in between.
You play indifferent to the meme.
Radically autonomous...
Know what I meme.
Look GeeChee...
ReplyDeleteI've asserted the black man's signifying meme on multiple occasions throughout this exchange.
As of yet, no "black man" has confirmed or denied the truthfulness of this signifying meme.
So one must draw a conclusion from this glaring omission.
The "black men" on this post CAN'T confirm or deny the veracity of the signifying meme.
These "black men" are in a state of radical autonomy.
You dig, brother?
I leave you alone after this TD, it's really easy to get. Let's prove CNu wrong. He thinks your incapable of getting it. I believe in you TD! Don't make me look silly in front of the fellas, I know you can do it!
ReplyDeletehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appropriation_%28art%29
GeeChee...
ReplyDeleteOkay...
Your internet avatar is "just an act" of appropriation. That's all we need to know.
{snickers}
You're just doing 1+2=3 in "art form" of course.
That's it. That's all.
{snickers some more}
Oh... Did I notice that you neither confirmed nor denied the signifying meme IN PLAIN English (as you've already done so with your appropriated "art" distribution)?
Come GeeChee...
Prove that you are not in a state of radical autonomy. Take a particular stance on the signifying meme less you fear the minimization of your autonomy that will inevitably follow your decision?
Imagine an artist who creates and has his creations distributed only to show off his "appropriating" skills?
ReplyDeleteDamn dawg...
You're one heck of a distributing "appropriator!"
Lol!
Articulate
assert
or
desert
put me in power or set me free...
my meme supreme.
publicly.reduced.to.gibberish...,
ReplyDeleteCnu...
ReplyDeleteNothing, of course.
'cept the reflect
incomplete image
of a reject
high IQ nigel
that be suspect
won't answer the meme
cuz he detect
trap set
that let
TD win
no matter
how he bet
i bet
u stay silent
on the 64K question
its implications
and why we met
u lil' bugs
in my net...
minimize your autonomy...
game, match, set
A black man will liberate from "white Supremacy" by any means necessary.
ReplyDeleteYou are inside this meme or you are outside this meme.
The consequence of your dueling choices are not equal.
So where do you cats stand?
{crickets}
In no man's land?
Radically autonomous, I say.
u inside or outside this meme?
ReplyDelete"Daddy, what he mean?"
"What he meme when he say you can't float in between?"
u lose your identity
a "conscious" machine
programmed
to seek maximum autonomy
to its logical extreme
u become a metameme
u inside and outside this meme
transcending these boundaries
u above this meme
feed,
treat it,
and caress this meme
u a metameme...
inside and outside this meme
radically autonomous
know what I meme?
Of course not...
u radically autonomous.
Can't know what I meme...
u metameme...
outside these memes
detached
indifferent
'til u inside this meme
then u intimate
impassioned
u distribute this meme
u, "black" liberationist
u give meaning to this meme
u meet white Supremacy
{poof!}
now u metameme...
1. vicious cycle
2. repeat scheme
herd elsewhere...,
ReplyDeleteBD also Speaks Jive...!!
@Big Don: Please don't ever attempt to demonstrate. Your boy Thordaddy's efforts at rhyming have earned him a perpetual spot in the "play on your own level" hall of shame...,
@CNu: lol, you never hear anybody who avoids Chinese people just bounce up and announce he speaks Chinese. But somehow the BD gene is forever expressing itself.
imitation
the sincerest
form of flattery
makes TD/BD
racial "realist"
black man
wannabes...,
Cnu...
ReplyDeletenothing dude
are u a black man
who
oppressed by "white Supremacy"
has to do
what he has to do???
Any Means Necessary...
that's the glue
Any Memes Necessary...
that's the clue
yur radical autonomy
help stew the stew
get called out
and refuse to muse
on the nigel question
and how he seek to fuse
a "black" liberation
that will refuse
to stand in spot
before he choose
to change his spot
and change his spot
reform his views
seek black Supremacy
and earn his due...
Cnu???
Nothing dude.
THESE.BLACK.CATS.WILL.NOT.ANSWER.THE.NIGEL.QUESTION!
ReplyDeleteDo you seek "liberation" from "white Supremacy" by ANY MEMES NECESSARY?
Yes...
or
No...
This is not a false dichotomy.
Refusal to answer is evidence of_____?
a. duplicity
b. cunning
c. indifference
d. deception
e. all the above
What should we call this collection of characteristics found in one individual?
If cats like Cnu and GeeChee ARE NOT seeking to "liberate" from "white Supremacy" by any means necessary then why should any other black man think he had to do the same?
ReplyDeleteWhy is this meme so strong and infectious BUT totally unnecessary to those that should most value its precepts?
@TD - I'm confused... In what way does "White Supremacy" affect anyone? 99.99 percent of the white people with whom I will ever come into contact will never be able to do anything to or for me - why should I be concerned with their thinking?
ReplyDeleteUBJ...
ReplyDeleteFinally, man...
White Supremacy has NOTHING to do with the black man, but almost all conscious black men have been thoroughly bamboozled into believing they have to seek liberation from it.
The general definition of a "black man" is one who seeks liberation from "white supremacy." Without the signifying obedience to this meme, the "black man" isn't really seen as a black man.
Fact is... Most black men have never even come within a million miles of a genuine white Supremacist, but he's still the boogie man that lurks everywhere and even looks like a killer Mestizo every so often.
Then again...
ReplyDeleteLet's not pretend that this defining meme doesn't still have a powerful hold on millions of black and white liberals.