Haiti - Protest - Rising Food PricesResidents protest by throwing stones on the streets in front of U.N. peacekeepers. Haitians erected flaming barricades and tried to storm the National Palace on Tuesday as protests against rising food prices, which have killed five people, paralyzed the impoverished nation's capital.
April 08, 2008
Undercover Black Man said...
Any serious reflection on Haiti will lead to some uncomfortable and embarrassing questions, DV.I mean, when a nation is independent and black-run for 200 years... who you gonna blame for 47 percent of the adult population being illiterate?
Denmark Vesey sees it different Undercoverblackman.I don't blame 47 percent of Haiti for being illiterate. I celebrate the 53 percent of Haiti who managed to become literate in a 200 year old war zone.
Haiti is not only the first nation to free itself of colonial yoke, it is also the first nation to fall victim to neocolonialism. NeoColonialism has proven even more viscous than its Freemasonic parent. Designed to not only rape nations and steal wealth but also to destroy souls.
There are no other people on the planet who possess the raw spiritual resources required to survive the 200 year Haitian Holocaust. Not the Vietnamese. Not the Palestinians. Not the Jews.
The quantity of suffering and loss of life experienced in one decade under the Nazis, cannot compare to the 20 decades of suffering, oppression, slavery, torture, sabotage, and usury endured by the Haitians under the Internationalists.
Nah Undercoverblackman. The current condition of the Haitian people is not testament to their flaws. Their very existence is testament to their profound depth, intelligence, strength and humanity.
Denmark, what the hell are you pratting on about?
ReplyDeleteSomething, you are not allowed to talk about Undercoverblackman.
ReplyDelete"collective punishment".
So... as the U.S. government and the American people mobilize to help Haiti in her hour of most desperate need... as America steps up to feed people, to provide medical care, to rebuild a shattered land...
ReplyDelete... you take this occasion to badmouth America???
You on some bullshit, Denmark. Seriously.
"... you take this occasion to badmouth America???"
ReplyDeleteCome on UB.
You trying too hard.
Stop showing off for the censors.
Stop trying to pick one of those little Fox News Left v Right play-fights.
Any serious reflection on Haiti by anyone who has bothered to examine the history and significance of that little island would normally preclude the type of reaching, grasping, gratuitous display of self-righteous indignation you just laid on us.
Any serious reflection on Haiti will lead to some uncomfortable and embarrassing questions, DV.
ReplyDeleteI mean, when a nation is independent and black-run for 200 years... who you gonna blame for 47 percent of the adult population being illiterate?
UBM,
ReplyDeleteWell, MOTI may be sensationalising things a little, but he's essentially correct. Haiti has not been truly independent. The country is run by a very small group...wealth and power is largely centered on a "light skinned" elite. Don't be fooled.
Thank you DMG. Direct military assault is only one of many ways one can impose its will on nations throughout the 3rd world. We here are all too smart not to recognize the truth when the facts are plain to see.
ReplyDeleteI still like to believe there is more good than evil in this world though. I just hope and pray all this help going there actually gets in the hands of those who are in dire need.
Direct military assault is only one of many ways one can impose its will on nations throughout the 3rd world.
ReplyDeleteSo NEA... whose "will" is it that nearly half the citizens of Haiti be illiterate?
Conversely, whose responsibility is it that the people of Haiti learn to read and write?
The country is run by a very small group...wealth and power is largely centered on a "light skinned" elite.
ReplyDeleteAnd whose responsibility is that?
... cannot compare to the 20 decades of suffering, oppression, slavery, torture, sabotage, and usury endured by the Haitians under the Internationalists.
ReplyDeleteYou're saying it's the Internationalists who are responsible for a city of 2 million people not having a fire department?
Wow. How do the Internationalists profit by Haiti being the poorest nation in the Western hemisphere?
UBM,
ReplyDeleteIt's not exactly that it is someone's will to make people illiterate. It's more that it is one of the consequences of the root causes; Greed & Power. Is that so hard to understand?
^ Yes, it is hard for me to understand. Sounds like some pat, simplistic horseshit to me.
ReplyDeleteBut I'm willing to learn. Would you be willing to break it down?
{{{SMH}}}
ReplyDeletewhen y'all gonna learn how to efficiently knock the fully exposed kneegrow out when he comes around here clutching his pearls and dispensing apologetics for OTHER pimps and psychopaths getting over on poor Black folks?
Ezili Danto on the roots of Haitian poverty and ecological devastation...,
"Any serious reflection on Haiti will lead to some uncomfortable and embarrassing questions" - UBM
ReplyDeleteyes, uncomfortable and embarrassing questions to be asked of the Western world, particularly France and the United States.
the "collective punishment" was for Africans and Haitians who dared free themselves, worship their own gods, and expel the French from the island.
If you don't believe the shock, rage and fear that the Haitian Revolution produced among white folks the world over ... start with the fact that France mandated Haitians to PAY THEM REPARATIONS for independence!
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0720-31.htm
on another note, cnu the woman who wrote the article in the link you posted 'ezili danto' shares a name with one of the most popular and revered spirit forces of haitian vodou. just thought it was interesting.
Here's what makes the people of Haiti look bad: CUBA.
ReplyDeleteThey figured out to survive, educate thier citizens and feed their people in the face of US boycotts and assasination attempts.
A miracle, for sure, but proof it can be done.
that dude said truth!
ReplyDeleteaccept no substitutes.
{not to mention the hellacious collapse like lurch left in the wake of the withdrawal of the former soviet union - post collapse Cuban self-sufficiency will prove a model for many other states across the Americas}
"Why is it always about Goldman Sachs? Leave America alone. Al-Quesadilla (Bush grammar) wants our freedoms instead of going to see the wizard to get their own freedoms.
ReplyDeleteOpen your heart and learn to trust your government. Don't you know if Jesus was here he wouldn't come as some backwards sandnigger, that he would be a true American patriot?"
-Alter Universe Gee-Chee Vision
@that dude, you may have a point, but these things have to be put into historical perspective ...
ReplyDeleteCuba: political/economic retribution via isolation since 1959
Haiti: since *1804*
in addition, Haiti never had a 'Soviet Union', or a power larger than themselves on which to rely for major trade, subsidies, assistance, etc.
ReplyDelete@ That Dude
ReplyDelete"They figured out to survive, educate thier citizens and feed their people in the face of US boycotts and assasination attempts"
Solid point!
To some that's not considered pulling yourselves up by your boot straps because those bootstraps weren't star spangled.
@ Chosen
"Cuba: political/economic retribution via isolation since 1959
Haiti: since *1804*
in addition, Haiti never had a 'Soviet Union', or a power larger than themselves on which to rely for major trade, subsidies, assistance, etc."
You must've studied at the Harry Allen-media assassin School for the gifted
gee-chee, come again please?
ReplyDeleteThere has been a concerted effort to undermine Haiti...from France, the United States...even it's neighboring Dominican Republic. A very small cadre of corrupt and powerful people own, control everything on an isolated island where most supplies need to be shipped in, while larger countries have either looked the other way or actively engaged in suppression. Cuba and Haiti aren't exactly the same flavor of poverty. Cuba, like chosen mentions above had the patronage of the USSR for many years...which built infrastructure, schools, etc. Haitians were left to fend for themselves from the likes of the Duvalier's and their Tonton Macoute. Maids were systematically poorly treated, often impregnated, and abandoned. The military terrorized the people and was more akin to a group of poorly trained thugs (except for a small officer corps often trained in what used to be called SOA School of the Americas--who returned with more efficient ways to terrorize the population...).
ReplyDeleteI don't think there's any point hashing this out. As human beings most of us looked the other way when it came to Haiti, Mexico, Guatemala, Peru, and many others in our backyard. We are responsible for alot of things that go on around the world. We demand comfort, but don't want to know who needed to be stepped on to get your overpriced clothes or fresh produce to you. Some of us cheered Cuban's braving the trip to south Florida, while Haitians landing 10 feet away were treated like criminals.
This is a fine intellectual conversation...that will ultimately come to nothing. People are suffering and dying NOW. What are you all doing about it?
the situation as it stands is nothing less than horrific and absolutely tragic...
ReplyDeleteas it has been for the past two centuries. through it all haiti has lived, and will live - that much i pray for.
as for what i do or don't do about the situation ... my [current] vocation is to learn and speak truth to the best of my abilities before i serve, lest i commit the same types of condescending, patronizing 'help' efforts from which this nation and others are still working towards liberating themselves.
would you operate on a patient before you had true comprehensions of the human body, health history and ailments?
Apologies Chosen...Harry Allen of rap group Public Enemy was given the title the Media Assassin. Public Enemy emulated the Black Panther Party in the titles each member carried. Were you had Ministers of Defense, Minister of Information, PE had Prophet of Rage, Minister of Information, Media Assassin etc.
ReplyDeleteThe hit song "Don't Believe the Hype" popularized Allen's role in the group. He's a bit obscure but still legendary in hip-hop's history.
People are suffering and dying NOW. What are you all doing about it?
ReplyDeleteWell... DV's got memes.
Memes for days.
Would I operate? No, but I WOULD assist the operating surgeon by retracting. Don't use the excuse of not being fully trained as the reason that you can't help. My 12 year old can help.
ReplyDeleteWell, you can still do acts of charity without a comprehensive knowledge and just out of the goodness of the heart. Just as many people assisted the Katrina victims without understanding the politics of our nation and the lack of immediacy and/or funding in comparison to funding for say Israel or big banks.
ReplyDeleteKatrina is apparent to most average minded individuals that there is no long extensive political histories to interpret whereas the case for Israel or bailouts most people can't connect with the complexities of war and economic crashes.
You know it's right to help the poor and oppressed. Robin Hood tales can teach that.
Not ignoring the proverbial saying "The road to hell is often paved by good intentions"
Obviously highlighting action without foresight.
However there are those that are only considered "all talk and no action" as some argue against MLK & Malcolm X. However their speech alone motivated so many others to action.
Even Hendrix wringing out a '68 Fender Stratocaster (and that's without words)then hanging it to dry, may probably do more than all of us collectively in our life time in terms of our contribution to humanity. Maybe not.
[John Brown's] "Words not rifles was his weapons"
-Henry David Thoreau
Responding to the speech John Brown gave before his death
There has been a concerted effort to undermine Haiti...from France, the United States...even it's neighboring Dominican Republic. A very small cadre of corrupt and powerful people own, control everything on an isolated island where most supplies need to be shipped in, while larger countries have either looked the other way or actively engaged in suppression.
ReplyDeleteOh my goodness, the Good Doctor is peddling conspiracy theory here. Me thinks he has been hanging out at Denmark Vesey.Net too long.
Where is the evidence? Where are the SCIENTIFIC STUDIES proving that other nations have looked the other way? LOL!!
Excuse the spelling. If I was the only one at a spelling bee I would still loose.
ReplyDeleteC'mon, we all know why Haiti is fucked up. Baby Doc would bring in powerful air conditioners for a party so his wife could rock a mink. That's just one teeny tiny example of the pimpery disguised as leadership that has left that nation in ruins.
ReplyDeleteWe can't cure cancer (or at least cut it out) if we don't admit it exists, and is the primary culprit for our sickness.
I don't care where I "caught" the cancer, it could have been from the white man's X ray machine, the point is...that shit is killing me and it's gotta go.
Since 1804 the Haitians have not able to produce their own Fidel Castro, and that's a shame.
TD if you read Fidel Castro's most recent autobiography, which I did, you would know that the Fidel Castro that Haitians have produced is, well, Fidel Castro. Castro's primary school teacher was a Haitian woman. The man credits insurrectionists of black Haitian descent for Cuban resistance to Spain and his own direct childhood encounters with Haitians working on his father's plantation inspired his humanitarian and revolutionary spirit.
ReplyDeletedidn't know that, thanks.
ReplyDeletewhich leads to the next question, why was he a more fertile ground for thier lessons than folks who lived there?
Good stuff Submariner.
ReplyDeletePlease send a review.
No II,
ReplyDeleteNot conspiracy. Very well documented. And well, dad lived through it. Notice I never had to mention secret societies. They have terrorized with impunity.
Thanks DV and will do. Dude good question and will hit you back with a more considered response.
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